Just heard Roach on tv say floyd wants the fight at 154??

[blegit]

How do I conclude this? Oh, I don't know... Number one, I was being facetious about fighting at 168 so thanks for the history lesson. Floyd later in his career, like Bernard Hopkins during his middleweight reign has made a career of fighting high profile smaller men. Gatti, Hatton, JJM... The only reason he fought ODLH at 154 was cuz he knew he was used up.

Roach HAS to make stipulations like that or people would be able to exploit the fact that Manny is just plain fighting bigger men and he wants to make the advantage of normal weight to blow up weight negligable. If you're fighting 10 to 14 lbs out of your prefered weight class then you need to make sure the guys that wear this weight normally aren't going to take advantage of fighting a much smaller man.

...and yes, the Cotto stiputation was well documented.

Yes, but you said it wouldn't surprise you about Floyd wanting the weight here or there. Something has to give you a reason to not be surprised. And if Pac is demanding bigger guys to come down isn't that an advantage for him like it would be if they demanded Pac to come up? How was Floyd bigger than Gatti or Hatton? And if Floyd fought a used up DLH then what did Pac fight? A corpse DLH?

Dude, how did Ricky Hatton look in his first fight at welterweight? What's the only other time he strayed north of 140? ...and yes Manny fought a corpse ODLH, Roach told him to jusmp on him seeing the IV marks in his arms... They were rehydrating him in the dressing room.

I just told you why I'm not surprised. He wants to be the bigger guy, like he has been for the past few years. What more do you need? Remember way back... long ago when Floyd fought Marquez? Yeah... No weight controvercy there. You're right.

Every fighter wants to be the bigger guy. And Floyd only fought a smaller Marquez. Gatti and Hatton were actually heavier than Floyd. Hatton didn't look bad at welterweight because of his weight. Hatton looked bad at welterweight because he was overrated and the competition is a lot better than at 140. Hatton gets up to 170 in between fights so he is not smaller than Floyd in no way. He's just lesser talent.

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Yes, but you said it wouldn't surprise you about Floyd wanting the weight here or there. Something has to give you a reason to not be surprised. And if Pac is demanding bigger guys to come down isn't that an advantage for him like it would be if they demanded Pac to come up? How was Floyd bigger than Gatti or Hatton? And if Floyd fought a used up DLH then what did Pac fight? A corpse DLH?

Dude, how did Ricky Hatton look in his first fight at welterweight? What's the only other time he strayed north of 140? ...and yes Manny fought a corpse ODLH, Roach told him to jusmp on him seeing the IV marks in his arms... They were rehydrating him in the dressing room.

I just told you why I'm not surprised. He wants to be the bigger guy, like he has been for the past few years. What more do you need? Remember way back... long ago when Floyd fought Marquez? Yeah... No weight controvercy there. You're right.

Every fighter wants to be the bigger guy. And Floyd only fought a smaller Marquez. Gatti and Hatton were actually heavier than Floyd. Hatton didn't look bad at welterweight because of his weight. Hatton looked bad at welterweight because he was overrated and the competition is a lot better than at 140. Hatton gets up to 170 in between fights so he is not smaller than Floyd in no way. He just lesser talent.

I told you I'd give you Gatti. That was a mistake on my part. Hatton doesn't blow up to 170 in between fights cuz it's natural weight... It's because of his shitty lifestyle. Hatton is absolutly a natural 140lber. Floyd is a professional who keeps his weight down at all times and should be commended for that but because a fighter blows up doesn't mean it's natural walking around weight... It's just a fighter who lets himself go. If my ass bloated up to 300 lbs cuz I ate bacon and lard it wouldn't mean it was my natural weight, now, would it? Marquez belonged no where near 142lbs and Floyd made it a point to come in heavy... 146. It's well documented how hard Floyd works so I guy like that NEVER comes in overweight. He's a dick. Sorry.

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Dude, how did Ricky Hatton look in his first fight at welterweight? What's the only other time he strayed north of 140? ...and yes Manny fought a corpse ODLH, Roach told him to jusmp on him seeing the IV marks in his arms... They were rehydrating him in the dressing room.

I just told you why I'm not surprised. He wants to be the bigger guy, like he has been for the past few years. What more do you need? Remember way back... long ago when Floyd fought Marquez? Yeah... No weight controvercy there. You're right.

Every fighter wants to be the bigger guy. And Floyd only fought a smaller Marquez. Gatti and Hatton were actually heavier than Floyd. Hatton didn't look bad at welterweight because of his weight. Hatton looked bad at welterweight because he was overrated and the competition is a lot better than at 140. Hatton gets up to 170 in between fights so he is not smaller than Floyd in no way. He just lesser talent.

I told you I'd give you Gatti. That was a mistake on my part. Hatton doesn't blow up to 170 in between fights cuz it's natural weight... It's because of his shitty lifestyle. Hatton is absolutly a natural 140lber. Floyd is a professional who keeps his weight down at all times and should be commended for that but because a fighter blows up doesn't mean it's natural walking around weight... It's just a fighter who lets himself go. If my ass bloated up to 300 lbs cuz I ate bacon and lard it wouldn't mean it was my natural weight, now, would it? Marquez belonged no where near 142lbs and Floyd made it a point to come in heavy... 146. It's well documented how hard Floyd works so I guy like that NEVER comes in overweight. He's a dick. Sorry.

You can't just disregard a person's diet. What they eat is part of what makes them their size. And Hatton is no longer a natural 140lber. Hatton was fighting at 140 when Mayweather went up from 125 in the amateurs to 130 in the pros. So naturally it would seem Mayweather is the smaller guy. But its okay to agree to disagree buddy. I really don't like Floyd either but I like to tell it like it is or at least how I think it is.

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Every fighter wants to be the bigger guy. And Floyd only fought a smaller Marquez. Gatti and Hatton were actually heavier than Floyd. Hatton didn't look bad at welterweight because of his weight. Hatton looked bad at welterweight because he was overrated and the competition is a lot better than at 140. Hatton gets up to 170 in between fights so he is not smaller than Floyd in no way. He just lesser talent.

I told you I'd give you Gatti. That was a mistake on my part. Hatton doesn't blow up to 170 in between fights cuz it's natural weight... It's because of his shitty lifestyle. Hatton is absolutly a natural 140lber. Floyd is a professional who keeps his weight down at all times and should be commended for that but because a fighter blows up doesn't mean it's natural walking around weight... It's just a fighter who lets himself go. If my ass bloated up to 300 lbs cuz I ate bacon and lard it wouldn't mean it was my natural weight, now, would it? Marquez belonged no where near 142lbs and Floyd made it a point to come in heavy... 146. It's well documented how hard Floyd works so I guy like that NEVER comes in overweight. He's a dick. Sorry.

You can't just disregard a person's diet. What they eat is part of what makes them their size. And Hatton is no longer a natural 140lber. Hatton was fighting at 140 when Mayweather went up from 125 in the amateurs to 130 in the pros. So naturally it would seem Mayweather is the smaller guy. But its okay to agree to disagree buddy. I really don't like Floyd either but I like to tell it like it is or at least how I think it is.

Yeah, man. I hear ya. Either way this fight should be a welterwight contest. Floyd coming in at 147 and Manny at somewhere around 142. I would hope that in the end the jr middleweight talk was all a bargining ploy and that's all. Manny sure can pack on pure muscle well, though. It's amazing how well he adjusts to higher weight classes. I guess he always had the frame but it's a crap shoot when a fighter jumps weights... Will his chin still be sturdy? Will it diminish his speed? Will he bring his power with him? What's his stamina going to look like? You can very rarely find an athlete of his caliber... Or Floyd's for that matter. His defensive skills are freakish.