If pac beats pbf is there nothing more to prove for him?

[knodaledge]

so how can we be sure that he is that good? naz showed alot of skills but it wasnt enough when he got raped by mab.

Really? You're telling me that you don't know how good Mayweather is?

He was supposed to lose to Corrales but he destroyed him. He fought a very close fight with Castillo the first time with an injury and dominated him the second time around. He embarrassed Gatti, not beat, embarrassed. He beat De La Hoya when they fought at Oscar's weight.

Mayweather has rarely been hit flush, but he not only beats his opponents, he makes them look really bad.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. If you honestly think Mayweather isn't one of the most skilled ever, then you need to go back and watch his fights again.

I criticize Floyd for what he's done at welterweight, but before then, he had one hell of a career.

no man you dont get it, i myself think that pbf will school pac. i know how good he is but alot of people think that pbf picks his opponents, he always have the upper hand. i still think he dances too much in the ring and is overall a boring boxer, but defense wise he is a genius.

again, an average boxer will look really good against a weak boxer. so how can we be certain that pbf is really that good when he hasnt fought the best? atleast in pacs case he beat dlh and hatton way better than pbf he fought cotto which is bigger as compared with pbf fighting a small guy in marquez.

do you get it now

No, he's right. I understand what you're attempting to say, but ultimately it holds no weight. Neither does the fact that Pac beat the same guys "way better" than Mayweather.

He's talking about overall skill level. If you can't see that, based upon just overall skill, Mayweather is one of, if not the best, boxer of our generation then you're hating. I ain't accusing you of such, but theres no other reason why one could see the skill Mayweather shows and still believe there are questions yet to be answered.

The "picks his opponents" thing only works for recent fights, although I dont buy it myself. What about all that he did at his lighter weights? 130 especially.

I would understand if Mayweather eeked by with victories but he totally outclasses his opponents. Even makes them look foolish. There is no way a "questionable" boxer could do that.

Your Naz comparison is false also. Everyone knew after the Kelly fight that Naz had holes in his arsenal. Hell, even Pacquiao has holes in his arsenal. Mayweather has never shown any holes in his arsenal and he's been in there with some of the greats.

You either admit, skill wise, he's one of the GOATS by now or you'll never ever believe it no matter what he does.

[Dizaster]

Really? You're telling me that you don't know how good Mayweather is?

He was supposed to lose to Corrales but he destroyed him. He fought a very close fight with Castillo the first time with an injury and dominated him the second time around. He embarrassed Gatti, not beat, embarrassed. He beat De La Hoya when they fought at Oscar's weight.

Mayweather has rarely been hit flush, but he not only beats his opponents, he makes them look really bad.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. If you honestly think Mayweather isn't one of the most skilled ever, then you need to go back and watch his fights again.

I criticize Floyd for what he's done at welterweight, but before then, he had one hell of a career.

no man you dont get it, i myself think that pbf will school pac. i know how good he is but alot of people think that pbf picks his opponents, he always have the upper hand. i still think he dances too much in the ring and is overall a boring boxer, but defense wise he is a genius.

again, an average boxer will look really good against a weak boxer. so how can we be certain that pbf is really that good when he hasnt fought the best? atleast in pacs case he beat dlh and hatton way better than pbf he fought cotto which is bigger as compared with pbf fighting a small guy in marquez.

do you get it now

No, he's right. I understand what you're attempting to say, but ultimately it holds no weight. Neither does the fact that Pac beat the same guys "way better" than Mayweather.

He's talking about overall skill level. If you can't see that, based upon just overall skill, Mayweather is one of, if not the best, boxer of our generation then you're hating. I ain't accusing you of such, but theres no other reason why one could see the skill Mayweather shows and still believe there are questions yet to be answered.

The "picks his opponents" thing only works for recent fights, although I dont buy it myself. What about all that he did at his lighter weights? 130 especially.

I would understand if Mayweather eeked by with victories but he totally outclasses his opponents. Even makes them look foolish. There is no way a "questionable" boxer could do that.

Your Naz comparison is false also. Everyone knew after the Kelly fight that Naz had holes in his arsenal. Hell, even Pacquiao has holes in his arsenal. Mayweather has never shown any holes in his arsenal and he's been in there with some of the greats.

You either admit, skill wise, he's one of the GOATS by now or you'll never ever believe it no matter what he does.

What he said..

[BIG H]

In relation to a few posts earlier about Margarito's wraps. How can anybody think he didn't have dodgy wraps against Cotto. Cotto was the biggest fight of his career, why would he use dodgy wraps against Mosely, but not Cotto? Especially bearing in mind he beat Cotto? So he beats Cotto fair and square and then tampers with his wraps to fight Mosely who beat Cotto Look at Cotto's face, did his face look like that after the Pc fight? No!

Margarito is a cheat and should be banned for life!

[JonesJrMayweather]

In relation to a few posts earlier about Margarito's wraps. How can anybody think he didn't have dodgy wraps against Cotto. Cotto was the biggest fight of his career, why would he use dodgy wraps against Mosely, but not Cotto? Especially bearing in mind he beat Cotto? So he beats Cotto fair and square and then tampers with his wraps to fight Mosely who beat Cotto Look at Cotto's face, did his face look like that after the Pc fight? No!

Margarito is a cheat and should be banned for life!

LEt's entertain this logic...Who has the better chin, even before any of them fought each other, who historically had the better chin? Mosley or Cotto? Easy and obvious answer, MOSLEY. Say what they will about how Cotto eeked out that decision. He ran the last quarter of the fight, I only say ran because Cotto had never resorted to that tactic. He was known for breaking his opponents will and wearing them down, he was gassed and couldnt hurt shane. That was the evidence for some people on this forum to pick Margarito over him citing that there was no way he was going to be able to get away from a longer Margarito once he started to retreat. Which turned out to be exactly that.

No as far as his facial damage , Judah busted him pretty good but nowhere near what Margo did to him because he didnt land nearly as much. Another point about why PACMAN didnt do as much damage. Cotto was running from round 8 to 12 and still he suffered a lot of damage. Plus Magarito is much bigger man than Pacman. Had Cotto stood and tried to trade with manny like did Margarito he would have looked like ground beef.

Its funny that people ignore the fact that the so called wraps where supposedly in his gloves not his head. He walked through all of Cotto's shots and kept coming thus breaking Miguel's will. Not to mention a terrible tactic for Cotto who had never been a fighter to be on his toes for 12 rounds circling. A stupid tactic to pull off for the first in a such a mega fight. Cotto lost fair and square and still to this day none of margarito's fight have been overturned as there is no evidence. Plus people have stuffed shit into their ears when fighters like Clottey say "Well he didnt use them against me"...

[ICB]

Well if he could move down i would like him to fight JMM, a fighter who beat him twice IMO. And a fighter who's being forgotten, because he had every single disadvantage vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and clearly had no business at that weightclass but fought at it because he's a real fighter.

Other than that i don't think he has to prove anything else if he beat Floyd Mayweather Jr, and personally i think people are underrating Andre Berto's chance's aswell. People keep saying well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley, like its already decided that Andre Berto will lose. But personally i think Andre Berto pulls off the upset, i think Shane Mosley is overrated at this point.

[brucelee]

Well if he could move down i would like him to fight JMM, a fighter who beat him twice IMO. And a fighter who's being forgotten, because he had every single disadvantage vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and clearly had no business at that weightclass but fought at it because he's a real fighter.

Other than that i don't think he has to prove anything else if he beat Floyd Mayweather Jr, and personally i think people are underrating Andre Berto's chance's aswell. People keep saying well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley, like its already decided that Andre Berto will lose. But personally i think Andre Berto pulls off the upset, i think Shane Mosley is overrated at this point.

First fight, they had a draw. Had one of the judges not committed an error in scoring, Pac would have won.

2nd fight, Pac won by decision.

Just correcting your claims.

[ICB]

Well if he could move down i would like him to fight JMM, a fighter who beat him twice IMO. And a fighter who's being forgotten, because he had every single disadvantage vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and clearly had no business at that weightclass but fought at it because he's a real fighter.

Other than that i don't think he has to prove anything else if he beat Floyd Mayweather Jr, and personally i think people are underrating Andre Berto's chance's aswell. People keep saying well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley, like its already decided that Andre Berto will lose. But personally i think Andre Berto pulls off the upset, i think Shane Mosley is overrated at this point.

First fight, they had a draw. Had one of the judges not committed an error in scoring, Pac would have won.

2nd fight, Pac won by decision.

Just correcting your claims.

How are you correcting my claims ? i know full well what the results were. There's no need to be a smartass about it, that doesn't mean my opinion that JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice is wrong, when plenty of people thought JMM won both fights.

He won more rounds in both fights fact, he outlanded Manny Pacquiao in both fights fact, he outlanded Manny Pacquiao in power punches in both fights fact. And a majority of the boxing websites and ringside experts thought JMM won the 2nd fight, including Ring Magazine the people that gave him his belt, admitted they thought he lost fact.