Malignaggi accuses Pac of Steroid abuse..

[miron_lang]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

[killersheep]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

[miron_lang]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

[killersheep]

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

[Majesty]

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

[killersheep]

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

[Majesty]

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

My point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids

[Diane]

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

[josef4334]

ahh what the heck.. i guess its just paulies way of tugging on pacmans cape. maybe someday pac will turn around ask paulie to come up to 147 and they could dance. paulies mouth has more power than his punch i tell you that much.

[generalbulldog]

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

[blegit]

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

The author did say stronger AND faster with each rise. Not just successful. That does seem quite unnatural.

[OumaFan]

I don't see any reason to say he's gotten faster as he's gone up.

[generalbulldog]

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

The author did say stronger AND faster with each rise. Not just successful. That does seem quite unnatural.

Pacquiao is not faster now, I've seen plenty of his fights since his days as a featherweight to say he's not faster now fighting at 140+ pounds.