Malignaggi accuses Pac of Steroid abuse..

[miron_lang]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

[killersheep]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

[miron_lang]

One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.

He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.

For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

[killersheep]

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

[Majesty]

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

[Diane]

Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.

Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.


That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

[josef4334]

ahh what the heck.. i guess its just paulies way of tugging on pacmans cape. maybe someday pac will turn around ask paulie to come up to 147 and they could dance. paulies mouth has more power than his punch i tell you that much.

[killersheep]

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts.

In addition:

Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

[Majesty]

That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

My point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids

[blegit]

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

My point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids

Yeah, roid rage is actually not a good measure. My cousin has been on steroids for many of years and I have yet to see this guy raise his voice. He just looks like a killer and benches almost 500 pounds. And look at Mosley, one of the calmest guys in the business. Proven steroid user.

[killersheep]

Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.

Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.

Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.

My point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids

My point is that it is much more likely to happen when you are put in a primal state with adrenalin flowing rather than sitting on a bench or standing in some grass.

[OumaFan]

I was about to say something about Mosley being one of the nicest guys in the sport and a known user. We just don't know who's juicing.

[blegit]

I'm not going to say Pac is on steroids but I will say that I would not be surprised in the least. But I say this due to my experiences of what I've been around. I have been in and around the boxing gym since I was a child. For many years I knew of no one taking anything illegal. I also have been around weights, steroids, and users of steroids for about the last 10-12 years. I personally know of 2 steroids that are undetectable. 1 of them is common in the gym I workout at. That one is not exactly a rarity in the boxing gym either even to amateurs boxers. Supplements and PEDs are much more common in the boxing world than people who are doing it right really know or want it to be true. You can't go by test at all. Tests are relatively easy to beat even if your on a detectable steroid. The people who test positive were either completely ignorant to how easy it is to get away or just got snitched on. Knowing what I know now, most users will never get caught so I just don't even try to speculate anymore. Its going to be here and probably gradually get worse.

[blegit]

I was about to say something about Mosley being one of the nicest guys in the sport and a known user. We just don't know who's juicing.

Exactly, we just don't know and will probably never know. Unless another Balco like situation comes. Getting caught by tests is a shot in the dark.

[miron_lang]

I was about to say something about Mosley being one of the nicest guys in the sport and a known user. We just don't know who's juicing.

So

A. We assume every success full athlete is roiding until the issue died down

or

B. We assume everyone is innocent until the tests comes up positive

so which one is fair IYO?