Bilbo...

[Fenster]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.

Kessler beat Andrade so easily a return couldn't even be considered, yet Bute was almost knocked out so had to rematch him. Big difference.

Bute's top ten wins - Bika and Andrade.

Come on, that form is not better than Froch taking out unbeaten Pascal (current lightheavy champ), Taylor and unbeaten Dirrell.

Kessler lost to Ward but already has beaten Bute's best opponent, and has better wins than Bika on his record. Ward could be special. Kessler shouldn't be kicked behind guys with lesser form because of that loss.

So.. Ward beat THE man, Kessler and Froch have better form than Bute. At least three guys should be in front of him on the form book

[Kev]

As I said at the start of the thread I think Bute is talented and have nothing against him, he's just not number 1.

Andre Ward beat the man, he HAS to be number 1 if the Ring is going to have any credibility.

Froch must be two for wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell.

I have no problem with Bute being at 3, considering the one sided nature of Kessler's loss, and Abraham has only one fight at the weight.

It's funny how Bika was considered a joke opponent for Joe Calzaghe yet he's a monster on Bute's resume.

Froch beats Bika and Andrade handily imo. He looked bad against Dirrell and Taylor, two of the fastest, slickest fighters in the game, but he certainly looked better for the most part than Andrade did against both Bute and Kessler.

Froch is a tough man, he has flaws for sure, but he's got three very impressive names on his record in back to back fights and deserves respect, and the number two spot for that.

[HattonTheHammer]

anyone ever stood infront of a mirror with there cock behind their legs pretending to be a woman before......



















`cause i sure havent

[Rantcatrat]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.

Kessler beat Andrade so easily a return couldn't even be considered, yet Bute was almost knocked out so had to rematch him. Big difference.

Bute's top ten wins - Bika and Andrade.

Come on, that form is not better than Froch taking out unbeaten Pascal (current lightheavy champ), Taylor and unbeaten Dirrell.

Kessler lost to Ward but already has beaten Bute's best opponent, and has better wins than Bika on his record. Ward could be special. Kessler shouldn't be kicked behind guys with lesser form because of that loss.

So.. Ward beat THE man, Kessler and Froch have better form than Bute. At least three guys should be in front of him on the form book

Listen, ranking Bute behind Ward and Froch makes sense, I won't deny that. But, ranking him behind Kessler makes no sense. The whole argument about Ward ranking above Bute, however, hinges on the fact that Ward beat "the man" in Kessler. My point is that Kessler may just not be "the man" we all thought him to be. And while I like Kessler a lot, a lot, we can all agree now Kessler was overrated, he has lost everytime he has stepped in the ring against opponents who can move. Kessler's biggest wins are over Andrade and Mundine. We can also agree that if Froch beats Kessler, the Kessler being "the man" argument goes out the window.

Bute's best wins are over Andrade twice and Bika, easily comparable. Bute has never lost; Kessler has lost twice. Bute looked invincible his last time out, stopping the durable, never-stopped-before Andrade (with a body shot I might add), Kessler looked horrible, a complete inability to adjust and incredibly plodding, losing practically every single round against Ward. Say what you want about his first fight with Andrade, but at least there Bute won 10 of 12 rounds.

Anyway, this will be decided soon enough because Bute will continue to win and Kessler, well, we'll just have to see...If Kessler loses to Froch and Ward beats Taylor, Froch should be ranked number 1, Bute number 2, and Ward number three. Ward beats Green, who replaces Taylor, and he should be ranked number one regardless. Kessler beats Froch, Ward beats Green, it should be Ward, Kessler, Bute, and then Froch. Sorry for the tangent. That's what too much coffee does in the morning.

Can we also all agree that Froch got a gift against Dirrell? I hated Dirrell's style that night, but Froch looked horrible in his win. It's a win, I know, but barely, just like Bute's was over Andrade the first time really, but at least Bute won 10 rounds.

[ono]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.

So you rate his wins over Andrade and Bika, higher than you rate Froch's wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell?

[Rantcatrat]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.

So you rate his wins over Andrade and Bika, higher than you rate Froch's wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell?

No, Froch has done his thing, and I admire his desire to the fight the best. He's gritty and tough. And if he wouldn't speak publicly, I would have no problem whatsoever.

[ono]

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.

So you rate his wins over Andrade and Bika, higher than you rate Froch's wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell?

No, Froch has done his thing, and I admire his desire to the fight the best. He's gritty and tough. And if he wouldn't speak publicly, I would have no problem whatsoever.

Lol, speaking isn't his strong point.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I have to agree with Bil with regards to HBO/ Showtime and Golden Boy. It all seems like a load of bollocks to be honest. How the fuck is Bute number one, when a) he doesn't have a belt b) has never beaten a former champion and c) is for Canadian

Riddiculous

[ICB]

I have to agree with Bil with regards to HBO/ Showtime and Golden Boy. It all seems like a load of bollocks to be honest. How the fuck is Bute number one, when a) he doesn't have a belt b) has never beaten a former champion and c) is for Canadian

Riddiculous

He doesn't have a belt ? he won the IBF title off Alejandro Berrio, and has made 4 title defenses.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Oh yeah

Im not having a good day.

[Kev]

Oh yeah

Im not having a good day.

It was a shitty belt though. Berrio was supposed to be an 'opponent' for Robert Steiglizt to win a vacant strap but Steiglitz chin ain't the best and he got knocked out, so Berrio picks up a suprise vacant strap, that was about as respected as the belt won by Lovemore N'dou against Ben Rabah.

Berrio was just a Carlos Maussa, or Lovemore N'dou type boxer, nothing special decent puncher, Bute stopped him in the 11th I believe which is nothing more than any of the top 10 would have done.

He then fought an old William Joppy and trial horse Fulgencio Zuniga in between bouts with former title challenger runner up Andrade.

He's not beaten anybody of significance yet. Andrade and Bika are ok wins but that's it.

It's funny Ice goes on about Bika and Kalambay being impressive wins on Bute's resume but he criticises Calzaghe for even taking those easy fights.

Meanwhile he demands the 22 year old Amir Khan steps up and starts fighting credible opposition, with his win over Hall of Fame legend Barrera meaning nothing.

Bute is a decent fighter, he may prove himself to be very very good, but he's not acomplished it yet. Ward and Froch have to be above him.

[amat]

How many times have you seen Berrio Bilbo? A lot of people picked Berrio to beat Bute and before he was just an 'opponent' for Stieglitz (which definitely wasn't the case), he had just given the kiss of death to another top prospect at the time, Yusaf Mack. He's not bad and even if him and Zuniga aren't huge names, Bute dispatched of both in fairly spectacular fashion. Berrio very much so.

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I agree that Bute shouldn't be number 1 but I can see why the Ring ranked him ahead of Ward. He's been in the top 5 for like 2/3 years now while Ward just entered and really only has 2 notable wins to his credit. Miranda/Kessler may match up favorably with Bute's Bika/Andrade but Ward doesn't have the wins beyond that to compare to Bute's.

I think Bute is clearly one of the top 2 fighters in the division and obviously the best outside of the tournament. 3 is fair, 2 I'm not going to complain as Froch is shit (fact.) and number 1 is probably excessive but I don't think just because Golden Boy happens to have a relationship with HBO.

How many people still read the Ring? Their is still some DLH-bashing going on in there, I don't think it's fair to write them off as crooked just because Oscar owns them.

[Kev]

How many times have you seen Berrio Bilbo? A lot of people picked Berrio to beat Bute and before he was just an 'opponent' for Stieglitz (which definitely wasn't the case), he had just given the kiss of death to another top prospect at the time, Yusaf Mack. He's not bad and even if him and Zuniga aren't huge names, Bute dispatched of both in fairly spectacular fashion. Berrio very much so.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...buteberrio.gifI agree that Bute shouldn't be number 1 but I can see why the Ring ranked him ahead of Ward. He's been in the top 5 for like 2/3 years now while Ward just entered and really only has 2 notable wins to his credit. Miranda/Kessler may match up favorably with Bute's Bika/Andrade but Ward doesn't have the wins beyond that to compare to Bute's.

I think Bute is clearly one of the top 2 fighters in the division and obviously the best outside of the tournament. 3 is fair, 2 I'm not going to complain as Froch is shit (fact.) and number 1 is probably excessive but I don't think just because Golden Boy happens to have a relationship with HBO.

How many people still read the Ring? Their is still some DLH-bashing going on in there, I don't think it's fair to write them off as crooked just because Oscar owns them.

Amat I have already made up my mind that I am correct and deliberately didn't pay attention when I read your post.

[ICB]

Oh yeah

Im not having a good day.

It was a shitty belt though. Berrio was supposed to be an 'opponent' for Robert Steiglizt to win a vacant strap but Steiglitz chin ain't the best and he got knocked out, so Berrio picks up a suprise vacant strap, that was about as respected as the belt won by Lovemore N'dou against Ben Rabah.

Berrio was just a Carlos Maussa, or Lovemore N'dou type boxer, nothing special decent puncher, Bute stopped him in the 11th I believe which is nothing more than any of the top 10 would have done.

He then fought an old William Joppy and trial horse Fulgencio Zuniga in between bouts with former title challenger runner up Andrade.

He's not beaten anybody of significance yet. Andrade and Bika are ok wins but that's it.

It's funny Ice goes on about Bika and Kalambay being impressive wins on Bute's resume but he criticises Calzaghe for even taking those easy fights.

Meanwhile he demands the 22 year old Amir Khan steps up and starts fighting credible opposition, with his win over Hall of Fame legend Barrera meaning nothing.

Bute is a decent fighter, he may prove himself to be very very good, but he's not acomplished it yet. Ward and Froch have to be above him.

Bilbo how many times have i told you ? Joe Calzaghe was fighting those fighters at the end of his career, where as Lucian Bute was fighting those fighters when he an upcoming contender, theres a big difference.

And no one had heard of Sakio Bika when he was fighting Joe Calzaghe, most people were calling the fight a joke. Yes i do think Sakio Bika is not a bad opponent, he's a difficult fighter like Kabary Salem.

Which makes it look more impressive for Lucian Bute, that he beat Sakio Bika more convincingly than Joe Calzaghe, and he also stopped a fighter that has never been stopped and dropped Joe Calzaghe like a sack of potatoes, aka Kabary Salem.

And yes his win over MAB does mean nothing, MAB had looked crap in warm up fights, he was seriously cut in one of those fights. And it shouldn't of even have been a win for Amir Khan, he headbutted MAB and it should of been stopped within 4 rounds, yet they stopped it just after the 4th round to give Amir Khan the win what a load of crap that was, it truly was a farce.

Lucian Bute has beaten some good contenders, and i seriously don't think you know much about some of these opponents. Fulgencio Zuniga floored Kelly Pavlik and gave him all he could handle, and was only stopped on cuts, and he was never off his feet vs Kelly Pavlik. Yet Lucian Bute stops a fighter that's never been stopped except on cuts, i remember it being on cuts i could be wrong though, but anyway he stops a very tough opponent in only 4 rounds and thats not impressive ?

As for Alejandro Berrio many people picked him to beat Lucian Bute, he almost had a 100 percent KO record, he was coming off two impressive wins vs Yusak Mack, Robert Stieglitz, and Lucian Bute stops him in very brutal fashion which was impressive.

Lucian Bute has been impressive he's beaten some very solid contenders, and unlike Amir Khan has fought punchers that can take your lights out.

[Rantcatrat]

Oh yeah

Im not having a good day.

It was a shitty belt though. Berrio was supposed to be an 'opponent' for Robert Steiglizt to win a vacant strap but Steiglitz chin ain't the best and he got knocked out, so Berrio picks up a suprise vacant strap, that was about as respected as the belt won by Lovemore N'dou against Ben Rabah.

Berrio was just a Carlos Maussa, or Lovemore N'dou type boxer, nothing special decent puncher, Bute stopped him in the 11th I believe which is nothing more than any of the top 10 would have done.

He then fought an old William Joppy and trial horse Fulgencio Zuniga in between bouts with former title challenger runner up Andrade.

He's not beaten anybody of significance yet. Andrade and Bika are ok wins but that's it.

It's funny Ice goes on about Bika and Kalambay being impressive wins on Bute's resume but he criticises Calzaghe for even taking those easy fights.

Meanwhile he demands the 22 year old Amir Khan steps up and starts fighting credible opposition, with his win over Hall of Fame legend Barrera meaning nothing.

Bute is a decent fighter, he may prove himself to be very very good, but he's not acomplished it yet. Ward and Froch have to be above him.

Do you agree that all Ward has done is beat Kessler? And that there is a chance, better now than ever before, that Kessler was simply overrated? If Froch beats Kessler, why shouldn't Bute be ranked above Ward?