Re: The most mediocre world champion of the last ten years...

Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by
ono

Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
yea most people had Campbell on their p4p lists AT THAT TIME, Guzman has solid wins over Barrios and HUMBERTO SOTO, and the Campbell/Bradley fight was at jr welter not welter, and it was already known that Campbell was unable to make 135 anymore so a jump up to 140 was inevitable, try what you may but Kotelnik was/is garbage his biggest win is against a fighter mentioned in the most mediocre champions in Reese, he got a GIFT against Maidana and then Khan smashed him, and the point that you try to suggest that the limited, feather punching Kotelnik should be rated as highly as other clearly better fighters in Malignaggi, Campbell, Holt, Maidana, Urango, J. Diaz, Hatton, Bradley, even Torres and Ngoudjo are better fighters, is just comical
next you'll be stating the same as Seanie did above and try to convince us that Reese really wasn't half bad

Sorry i meant light welter. Campbell won't ever be effective at 140. He didn't get a gift against Maidana. That's your opinion.
EDIT: Where did people have Campbell on their p4p lists? Top 100?
Please explain to me what Urango, Paulie, Holt, Maidana (infact you think Maidana is clearly better than Kotelnik, yet he lost to him), Ngoudjo have all done that dwarthes anything that Kotelnik has ever achieved.
for fuck sake Campbell was even on Saddos p4p list at the time of the Bradley fight, he was on Espns p4p list, obviously not now
and all of those mentioned have done well against top tier opposition not just against Reese, and a GIFT against Maidana
Well let's break down what you've said.
Juan Urango - Ricky Hatton. Urango won 1 round. Hatton had flu
Juan Urango - Andre Berto. Berto coasted to victory
Kendall Holt - Was on a suicide mission before headbutting Torres. Beaten Mighty Mike, and laboured to wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop. Hardly awe-inspiring.
Paulie - Got beaten up by Cotto, Got beaten up by Hatton. Nearly got stopped by Ngoudjo, Best win is Lovemore N'Dou.
Maidana - Floored twice but out-battled Victor 'i know i'm a boxer but i shouldn't be taking punches' Ortiz. Lost to Kotelnik the worst fighter ever to lace up gloves. Please stop typing gift in capitals. It doesn't make it true. 
The sad thing is, all of the above fighters (Khan and Kotelnik included) are all by definition 'world class'. By that, i mean they are roughly the best Boxing has to offer in the 10 stone category. None of those fighters have done anything that Kotelnik isn't capable of, yet he'd get a tone of credit for beating them.
Edit: If we're getting bogged down in what ESPN think, Dan Rafael believes Kotelnik won the Maidana fight.
Last edited by ono; 12-11-2009 at 12:07 PM.
http://instagram.com/jonnyboy_85_/
Bookmarks