Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

[OumaFan]

I've argued the same thing about his weight gain. But regardless of that we basically have no idea if he is on anything or not (just like we have no idea about any fighter) so the title is a bit ridiculous.

[eagle]

Yeah I dont think he is on steroids but to write a Title like that is just plain stupid. No one except probably Pac and his closest network know whether he does or not.

[Intazzz]

Against Cotto. Pacquiao weigh at fight night was 150lbs..

[hitmanhatton]

Against Cotto. Pacquiao weigh at fight night was 150lbs..

so.... steroids dont instantly make you big unless that is what your aim towards... you wont get big my training to shed weight or improve speed... they are a miracle quick fix

also pretty much every sport has had cases were the guys at the top at one time or another have been proved to be using.... why should boxing be any different

[blegit]

I've argued the same thing about his weight gain. But regardless of that we basically have no idea if he is on anything or not (just like we have no idea about any fighter) so the title is a bit ridiculous.

Perfectly put.

[miron_lang]

I've argued the same thing about his weight gain. But regardless of that we basically have no idea if he is on anything or not (just like we have no idea about any fighter) so the title is a bit ridiculous.

So Guilty before proven innocent? He tested negative 10 times what can you ask for?

So its Ridiculous to say

"Tiger Woods is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple"

[OumaFan]

Not sure when I said he was guilty

WE DON'T KNOW. ABOUT ANYONE.

Sorry for the caps but I thought I was clear earlier when I said "just like we have no idea about any fighter" but I guess I wasn't. We just don't know who's on what. Its about as simple as that. I'm not a "hater", I'm xadumod.

And yeah passing tests doesn't mean you haven't done anything, I'm sorry it just doesn't.

[OumaFan]

I think Tiger probably is for what its worth

[miron_lang]

Not sure when I said he was guilty

WE DON'T KNOW. ABOUT ANYONE.

Sorry for the caps but I thought I was clear earlier when I said "just like we have no idea about any fighter" but I guess I wasn't. We just don't know who's on what. Its about as simple as that. I'm not a "hater", I'm xadumod.

And yeah passing tests doesn't mean you haven't done anything, I'm sorry it just doesn't.

So Pacquiao continuous to win and retires without ever being positive. 25 yrs later somebdy dig an Article with Paulie and Sr' accusing Pacquiao of roiding with their opinion as basis. It goes on in History that "We dont know if Pacquiao used illegal substance or not"

Did Henry Armstrong used illegal substance?

How about Floyd?


ok ok i get it "We dont know" the only thing we can be sure of is if he tested positive then he's using it. Now if he's negative all the time we still dont know becase there might be an imaginary undetected substance out there that pac is not sharing.

So hes' not Guilty. Is Pac innocent until proven guilty?

ok ok "We just dont know"

[OumaFan]

Either he's got an undetected substance or he's simply doing it under the guidance of someone who knows what they're doing and knows how to cycle correctly and avoid tests. These tests are not as foolproof as you're making them out to be.

Man, I'm a big fan actually and I'm not interested in making him out to be guilty until proven innocent, but I'm not naive. PED's are too widespread to think there's just NO WAY my favorite fighter could be on them, he's a nice guy, he can't have possibly have done that, no. Lots of nice guys are probably on them.

He's innocent till proven guilty. But articles titled "Manny Pacquio is not on Steroids or PEDS...Plain and Very Simple" are a joke. Period. Just like it would be a joke for some Floyd obsessive to come out with an article titled "Floyd Mayweather is not on Steroids or PEDs...Plain and Very simple." Or any boxer or any athlete, there's no way you can know that. Suspicion in these times are reasonable, it doesn't mean you should slander a guy saying I know he is on them if you don't have any evidence, but there's always a chance.

Who cares what Paulie says anyway?

[miron_lang]

Either he's got an undetected substance or he's simply doing it under the guidance of someone who knows what they're doing and knows how to cycle correctly and avoid tests. These tests are not as foolproof as you're making them out to be.

Man, I'm a big fan actually and I'm not interested in making him out to be guilty until proven innocent, but I'm not naive. PED's are too widespread to think there's just NO WAY my favorite fighter could be on them, he's a nice guy, he can't have possibly have done that, no. Lots of nice guys are probably on them.

He's innocent till proven guilty. But articles titled "Manny Pacquio is not on Steroids or PEDS...Plain and Very Simple" are a joke. Period. Just like it would be a joke for some Floyd obsessive to come out with an article titled "Floyd Mayweather is not on Steroids or PEDs...Plain and Very simple." Or any boxer or any athlete, there's no way you can know that. Suspicion in these times are reasonable, it doesn't mean you should slander a guy saying I know he is on them if you don't have any evidence, but there's always a chance.

Who cares what Paulie says anyway?

That's GOOD enough. In a way these accusations is a compliment for Pacquiao.

He's TOP 10 at least ALL TIME if he beats Floyd. Even Floyd didnt get this kind of attention.

[CFH]

Not sure when I said he was guilty

WE DON'T KNOW. ABOUT ANYONE.

Sorry for the caps but I thought I was clear earlier when I said "just like we have no idea about any fighter" but I guess I wasn't. We just don't know who's on what. Its about as simple as that. I'm not a "hater", I'm xadumod.

And yeah passing tests doesn't mean you haven't done anything, I'm sorry it just doesn't.

So Pacquiao continuous to win and retires without ever being positive. 25 yrs later somebdy dig an Article with Paulie and Sr' accusing Pacquiao of roiding with their opinion as basis. It goes on in History that "We dont know if Pacquiao used illegal substance or not"

Did Henry Armstrong used illegal substance?

How about Floyd?


ok ok i get it "We dont know" the only thing we can be sure of is if he tested positive then he's using it. Now if he's negative all the time we still dont know becase there might be an imaginary undetected substance out there that pac is not sharing.

So hes' not Guilty. Is Pac innocent until proven guilty?

ok ok "We just dont know"

It's pretty easy to understand. We live in an era where steroid (and like substances) use is prolific amongst elite level athletes of all sports. It would be naive to assume boxing is any different from the other major sports. In fact, if history is any indicator boxing might well be worse than any of the others. Now, none of this means Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley (ok, scratch that last one) are using illegal drugs, but in this environment there is no certainty regarding anyone IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that any high-level athlete had been caught.

[miron_lang]

It's pretty easy to understand. We live in an era where steroid (and like substances) use is prolific amongst elite level athletes of all sports. It would be naive to assume boxing is any different from the other major sports. In fact, if history is any indicator boxing might well be worse than any of the others. Now, none of this means Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley (ok, scratch that last one) are using illegal drugs, but in this environment there is no certainty regarding anyone IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that any high-level athlete had been caught.

I agree.

Im not a lawyer but i dont think it's healthy for a professional fighter to accuse someone using his opinion as basis plus he's getting media coverage. Those articles might be treated as facts 25 yrs from now.

If that is not defamation I dont know what is.

[ross]

I still think he took something, he has an unnaturally cut physique for someone who was so small, regardless of the small incraments he went up by.

The most suspiscious jump in weight is between the first Morales loss and the rematch.

Being such a hero to a whole nation with not much else to be happy about, someone from the philipines could have approached Manny and offered him some "help" to be stronger, although he weighed in a pound lighter at the weigh in, he weighed 5 pounds heavier on the night, how did he all of a sudden have bigger muscle mass to hydrate in the same weight?