RJJ V Mike Tyson

[Themantonio]

I was watching Tarver v Jones Jr 1 the other night and remembered his post fight interview where he said he would never fight in LHW again, wanted to go back up to HW and fight Tyson then retire.

Just wanting to know why this fight never took place and had it, who would've won at the time?

[Eloking]

who would've won at the time?

It depend when RJJ would have fought Tyson. If it was before he goes to jail, then Tyson would have easily won (in my opinion). But since Tarver VS RJJ was in 2003-2004, I'm pretty sure Tyson would have lost. At that time he was nothing compared to his prime.

[salty trunks]

Even at Tysons worst he still had a lot of speed and power for a heavyweight. I dont think Jones could have put enough on Tyson to keep him off of him, and thats what it took to stop Tyson. Tyson would land and Jones would get knocked out.

[Master]

As bad as Tyson was then, he would just need to land once and it would happen in 36 minutes of a fight. Tyson was only beaten by big heavies who used their weight on him to tire him out. Roy would not do that.

[salty trunks]

As bad as Tyson was then, he would just need to land once and it would happen in 36 minutes of a fight. Tyson was only beaten by big heavies who used their weight on him to tire him out. Roy would not do that.

Agreed even Holyfield used the tactic of leaning and pushing Tyson back to wear him out. Tyson would be too dangerous at range with his speed and power and Jones couldnt do enough from the outside to keep Tyson off of him.

[J_Undisputed]

Even at Tysons worst he still had a lot of speed and power for a heavyweight. I dont think Jones could have put enough on Tyson to keep him off of him, and thats what it took to stop Tyson. Tyson would land and Jones would get knocked out.

At the time they would have fought, Tysons skill werent even close to what they were. He no longer moved his head, he only moved his hands; he telegraphed his punches; Didn't punch in combinations anymore and he gave up if he couldnt knock his opponent out in 3 rounds. He had no trainer he would listen to.
If he couldnt hit Botha for 6 rounds, Jone's movement would have gave him fits. Tyson like bigger slower opponents because they were easier to hit and rested on the ropes. Even if Jone's jab that was rediscovered at heavyweight wasnt enough to keep Tyson off balance, he could have potshotted tyson and held for 3 rounds and waited for tyson to lose interest, and then pick him apart. At the time they would have fought, Tyson wouldnt have gotten embarrassed barring a heavy shot landing or one of the patented armbars doing damage to Jones in the first few rounds of which Jones would have been too smart to engage in a firefight.

[salty trunks]

Even at Tysons worst he still had a lot of speed and power for a heavyweight. I dont think Jones could have put enough on Tyson to keep him off of him, and thats what it took to stop Tyson. Tyson would land and Jones would get knocked out.

At the time they would have fought, Tysons skill werent even close to what they were. He no longer moved his head, he only moved his hands; he telegraphed his punches; Didn't punch in combinations anymore and he gave up if he couldnt knock his opponent out in 3 rounds. He had no trainer he would listen to.
If he couldnt hit Botha for 6 rounds, Jone's movement would have gave him fits. Tyson like bigger slower opponents because they were easier to hit and rested on the ropes. Even if Jone's jab that was rediscovered at heavyweight wasnt enough to keep Tyson off balance, he could have potshotted tyson and held for 3 rounds and waited for tyson to lose interest, and then pick him apart. At the time they would have fought, Tyson wouldnt have gotten embarrassed barring a heavy shot landing or one of the patented armbars doing damage to Jones in the first few rounds of which Jones would have been too smart to engage in a firefight.

I see what your saying but remember, (and I actually see the fight ending just like the Botha fight), Tyson was coming off a year and half layoff when he fought Botha from the suspension and road rage jail term. He was also just hooking up with a real trainer in Tommy Brooks who had him looking pretty good after working with him for a few fights.
I think the Tyson that fought Golota would have been quick enough and explosive enough to eventually catch Jones even if he did have some success running and boxing for a few rounds.

[J_Undisputed]

Even at Tysons worst he still had a lot of speed and power for a heavyweight. I dont think Jones could have put enough on Tyson to keep him off of him, and thats what it took to stop Tyson. Tyson would land and Jones would get knocked out.

At the time they would have fought, Tysons skill werent even close to what they were. He no longer moved his head, he only moved his hands; he telegraphed his punches; Didn't punch in combinations anymore and he gave up if he couldnt knock his opponent out in 3 rounds. He had no trainer he would listen to.
If he couldnt hit Botha for 6 rounds, Jone's movement would have gave him fits. Tyson like bigger slower opponents because they were easier to hit and rested on the ropes. Even if Jone's jab that was rediscovered at heavyweight wasnt enough to keep Tyson off balance, he could have potshotted tyson and held for 3 rounds and waited for tyson to lose interest, and then pick him apart. At the time they would have fought, Tyson wouldnt have gotten embarrassed barring a heavy shot landing or one of the patented armbars doing damage to Jones in the first few rounds of which Jones would have been too smart to engage in a firefight.

I see what your saying but remember, (and I actually see the fight ending just like the Botha fight), Tyson was coming off a year and half layoff when he fought Botha from the suspension and road rage jail term. He was also just hooking up with a real trainer in Tommy Brooks who had him looking pretty good after working with him for a few fights.
I think the Tyson that fought Golota would have been quick enough and explosive enough to eventually catch Jones even if he did have some success running and boxing for a few rounds.

Theoretically, it is quite possible. The reason I give the edge to Jones is that he seemed extra sharp in those fights where he was in the most danger. He seemed to be driven by the challenge and the thought of losing it all. The Toney Fight;The Griffin rematch saw Jones posessed; The fight with Telesco at Radio City Music Hall with only one good had was masterful; the fight with a Ruiz with a guy that outweighed him by about 20+ lbs saw him sharp also (despite being rocked a little by Ruiz) and fighting through it. Jones fighting Tyson and the dangers that came with it for a fighter come up from LH and fighting a guy with Tysons Power, would have had Jones on another level.

Anyone can get caught. I have trouble see Brooks getting Tyson in enough focus and with enough skills to time, catch or unload on Jones before Tysons carriage turned back into a pumpkin at the start of round 4. Its unfortunate for Tyson that Evander's punch then clinch method laid the blueprint on how to beat him. Even Botha used it to frustrate Tyson before he stepped into the punch that dropped him and showed shockwaves travel down his back in a ripple of fat if you watch the slow-mo. I can't see Jones jousting powershots with Tyson like that. He'd know better and that was still before Jones became a headcase and stopped using his evasiveness to get the hell out dodge and started covering up with hands high and sitting on the ropes.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I was watching Tarver v Jones Jr 1 the other night and remembered his post fight interview where he said he would never fight in LHW again, wanted to go back up to HW and fight Tyson then retire.

Just wanting to know why this fight never took place and had it, who would've won at the time?

I just made this same thread no more than a month ago.

[Themantonio]

I was watching Tarver v Jones Jr 1 the other night and remembered his post fight interview where he said he would never fight in LHW again, wanted to go back up to HW and fight Tyson then retire.

Just wanting to know why this fight never took place and had it, who would've won at the time?

I just made this same thread no more than a month ago.

Sorry dude, must've missed it...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I was watching Tarver v Jones Jr 1 the other night and remembered his post fight interview where he said he would never fight in LHW again, wanted to go back up to HW and fight Tyson then retire.

Just wanting to know why this fight never took place and had it, who would've won at the time?

I just made this same thread no more than a month ago.

Take the hint buddy




Personally, i have given up on assuming the fighter with the punchers chance will do damage. But when you are putting a moderate yet sharp-punching LHW in with MIKE TYSON....

Don't matter who bad Tyson was, he ain't Valuev

[salty trunks]

Tyson around this time fought Cliff Etienne. He was in pretty good shape for that fight and still explosive. Tyson, as far as he slipped, was still one of, if not the quickest heavyweights around.
Jones just didnt have enough firepower to keep Tyson off of him, or size to muscle Tyson around to wear him out. Tyson at some point would connect on Jones probably sooner than later.

[Zilla]

I think where ever Tyson would have hit Jones he would have hurt him. Roy liked to lay on the ropes and cover up while guys wore themselves out trying to hit him. He wouldn't have done that with Mike and tried to circle around in the middle of the ring. I think eventually Mike would have tapped him with something and even if it weren't clean it would have had an effect or pushed him out of a position he wanted to be in. With Roy's chin and Mike's power all it would have taken was 1 punch.