RJJ V Mike Tyson

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Could be but wow it would be a tall order for Jones. He would basically not have to get hit the entire fight. Even Holyfield was hit very hard and stunned by Tyson in both fights. I think you may be underestimating Tysons speed and power which was a lot harder than anything Jones had faced previously.

I just dont see Jones being able to take any kind of good shot from Tyson and I dont see Jones possessing enough power to stop Tyson from coming forward. Botha was still a pretty big physical guy 6'2 235 who was able to tie up and move Tyson around a little bit on the inside which kind of made Tyson frustrated and sloppy.

[J_Undisputed]

Could be but wow it would be a tall order for Jones. He would basically not have to get hit the entire fight. Even Holyfield was hit very hard and stunned by Tyson in both fights. I think you may be underestimating Tysons speed and power which was a lot harder than anything Jones had faced previously.

I just dont see Jones being able to take any kind of good shot from Tyson and I dont see Jones possessing enough power to stop Tyson from coming forward. Botha was still a pretty big physical guy 6'2 235 who was able to tie up and move Tyson around a little bit on the inside which kind of made Tyson frustrated and sloppy.

Jones has gone entire pretty much entire fights without getting hit witha good shot by faster fighters with longer reach and even recorded a round where he never got hit by a Rooney trained Pazienza fightinga similar style. Yes jones had enough power at the weight to make Paz think twice.

But heavy this is all about styles. The fighters that we were mentioning here were forward fighters. Evander, Botha as well as most people that Tyson fought were not fighters with good movement that were known for avoiding punches. In the later stages, the only fighter that probably tried to use the ring and any movement, was Lennox and he used a telephone pole jab to keep Tyson at bay. Mostly because he had too because his lateral movement wasn't that good.

Jones never fought a puncher like Tyson. Tyson never fought a mover and slickster with the speed of Jones. When it comes down to it, I fancy Jones chance of not getting his cleanly and picking away at Tysons self esteem for 3 rounds than I do Tyson landing a big clean telegraphed shot on a guy whos hadn't really been hit cleanly and barely lost a round at those respective stages in their careers. Especially when Jones was on a high off beating Ruiz and Tyson was going through all the stuff he was going through and had already had his aura shattered by Holyfield.

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Jones has gone entire pretty much entire fights without getting hit witha good shot by faster fighters with longer reach and even recorded a round where he never got hit by a Rooney trained Pazienza fightinga similar style. Yes jones had enough power at the weight to make Paz think twice.

Paz was a 5 foot 7 former lightweight that fought Jones at 168 thats a strange comparison to say the least. Paz was no where near the offensive threat of any version of Tyson.
Who was faster than Tyson that Jones faced?

[DaxxKahn]

Even a washed up Tyson had wiskers enough to deal with Jones power for a few rounds....And even a washed up Tyson could keep up a pace that would have Roy on the ropes for a few rounds and somewhere in there Roy would get caught..

Mike is no Tarver, Johnson or Green his shots would have done more damage and I give at least the TKO

[J_Undisputed]

Even a washed up Tyson had wiskers enough to deal with Jones power for a few rounds....And even a washed up Tyson could keep up a pace that would have Roy on the ropes for a few rounds and somewhere in there Roy would get caught..

Mike is no Tarver, Johnson or Green his shots would have done more damage and I give at least the TKO

You're suggesting that Jones was the same at heavyweight as he was in the Green, Johnson, and Tarver fights? That he would train with the same intent? By the same standard I could say Danny Williams, a man with 1/25 the skill of Jones, lasted 4 rounds with Tyson while he let tyson punch him at will, so Jones should be able to avoid tyson while sleepwalking around the ring. Jones didnt start to languish on the ropes regularly until after the drop in weight and KO losses. Before that, it was only when he took rounds off around 7-9, a point tyson would have given up long before.

Its not a questioning of deal with Jones' power. Jones wouldnt be looking for the KO because it wouldn't be worth the risk. The thought of Tyson walking through Jones punches landing bomb after bomb is pointless. Jones wouldn't stand and trade with Tyson, which would be Tyson's best shot at victory. Instead he'd be using the ring and his speed. It doesnt take a hard superheavyweight jab to keep an opponent off balance or disrupt his rhythm or not let him get his feet set. Jones was in better condition and be concentrating on taking this fight to the later rounds where his offense would pick up after tysons spirit would have already been broken. In the early part of it, dancing and holding would have provided enough time for tyson to give up on himself. Just my opinion.

[DaxxKahn]

Even a washed up Tyson had wiskers enough to deal with Jones power for a few rounds....And even a washed up Tyson could keep up a pace that would have Roy on the ropes for a few rounds and somewhere in there Roy would get caught..

Mike is no Tarver, Johnson or Green his shots would have done more damage and I give at least the TKO

You're suggesting that Jones was the same at heavyweight as he was in the Green, Johnson, and Tarver fights? That he would train with the same intent? By the same standard I could say Danny Williams, a man with 1/25 the skill of Jones, lasted 4 rounds with Tyson while he let tyson punch him at will, so Jones should be able to avoid tyson while sleepwalking around the ring. Jones didnt start to languish on the ropes regularly until after the drop in weight and KO losses. Before that, it was only when he took rounds off around 7-9, a point tyson would have given up long before.

Its not a questioning of deal with Jones' power. Jones wouldnt be looking for the KO because it wouldn't be worth the risk. The thought of Tyson walking through Jones punches landing bomb after bomb is pointless. Jones wouldn't stand and trade with Tyson, which would be Tyson's best shot at victory. Instead he'd be using the ring and his speed. It doesnt take a hard superheavyweight jab to keep an opponent off balance or disrupt his rhythm or not let him get his feet set. Jones was in better condition and be concentrating on taking this fight to the later rounds where his offense would pick up after tysons spirit would have already been broken. In the early part of it, dancing and holding would have provided enough time for tyson to give up on himself. Just my opinion.

The question in the main post was

I was watching Tarver v Jones Jr 1 the other night and remembered his post fight interview where he said he would never fight in LHW again, wanted to go back up to HW and fight Tyson then retire.

Just wanting to know why this fight never took place and had it, who would've won at the time?


After Tarver Jones 1 Roy had already been at HW and his way back to LHW left him with nothing...We are talking about how would the fight have gone IF jones went back to HW and fought Tyson...It was proven at LHW by Tarver and Johnson guys who on their best days do not hit as hard as Tyson...Jones had long lost his real speed...Tyson had still enough speed more then the average HW at least....

We are to assume the two fighters are going to train at their best so you can not use an undertrained Tyson for the Williams fight and use the scenario by saying Tyson would be the one to give a shitty performance we need assume both would do the best to their abilities, in truth Jones was horrible against Tarver in the first fight and was lucky to get by him....Jones wouldn't trade with Tyson? well of course not he would lay on the ropes try to be cute and counter punch...He did it his whole career after moving up from SMW this fight would be different why?...Jones is an arrogant man who believes in his skill too much...refuses to believe that in truth Roy Jones is not a very good boxer when you speak on technical terms...he was able to do amazing things as a fighter because of his amazing athletic ability but once the speed and reflexes leave you so do the amazing things and without the technical skills to fall back on Jones is in trouble...

Truth is at HW Jones really did not have much and he knew this that is why he choose Ruiz to fight for a title not Lewis...HW means HW not pick and choose size to suiting...you fight at HW you take on guys 201-500lbs like it or not...Jones is no idiot he knew his HW title picture was a one shot deal and any defenses were going to be against ham and eggers....

So now back to the topic...AT the time of the statement and according to the question asked...Going by what each one had physically left at the time of the year 2003 when Jones fought Tarver the first time...

Assuming each man trained to his fullest ability and gave his fullest effort in the fight yes Mike Tyson would have knocked out Roy Jones...

Especially since just a yr or so later Jones was knocked out in 2 rds by Tarver and 9 rounds by Johnson in devestating fashion..

Jones would have sat on the ropes even if not willingly and got caught...

He showed this in fights that actually took place so why would a mythical matchup be any different?

[Zilla]

Even if Jones laid on the ropes and took a body shot he would've been hurt. Mike packed too much of a punch for someone like Roy to just soak up.

[J_Undisputed]

Jones has gone entire pretty much entire fights without getting hit witha good shot by faster fighters with longer reach and even recorded a round where he never got hit by a Rooney trained Pazienza fightinga similar style. Yes jones had enough power at the weight to make Paz think twice.

Paz was a 5 foot 7 former lightweight that fought Jones at 168 thats a strange comparison to say the least. Paz was no where near the offensive threat of any version of Tyson.
Who was faster than Tyson that Jones faced?

Paz was not the offensive threat as far as power goes, but fought a comparable style to what Tyson fought in his better days with the speed of a lighter weight class and only 2 inches shorter than. Build and stylewise, Paz was a minature of Tyson. Jones only fought one heavyweight, definitely noone at heavyweight was faster than Tyson, but my point is that many of the fighters that Jones faced in the ring, fought at a faster pace and speed than Tyson as is typical at lower weights. Plus Tyson at the time that the fight was supposed to take place was wasn't as fast as he used to be and wore himself out after 2 rounds of swinging and missing. We're not talking prime for prime. We're talking about Tyson on the tail end of his career, where he would give up after 3 rounds, look for a way out and whine when they dressed his cuts in between rounds.... Vs. a Jones Jr. that just completed the greatest accomplishment of his Career.
Sure people look at the Jones /Green fight and see a grazing shot knock jones retarded. But for the time of the fight happening, Jones looked invincible and tyson couldn't even pull enough of himself together to make it through a fight.