this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates

[erik_corrales]

From the link you have provided the blood is only an added measure for testing and in other article a screening of athlete to determine who they deem necessary for a urine test. But the urine is sufficient for detecting EPO.

which brings me to this video that i remember seeing earlier this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r...layer_embedded

based on this video, dated dec 11,team pac originally agreed with the olympic style testing. it's only when the mayweather's demanded excessive random blood sampling, which could possibly be done right before the fight, that team pac didn't want to be pulled a fast one on.

i still stand by my hair sampling compromise. it's less intrusive and more indicative if pac has ever used roids.

[killersheep]

From the link you have provided the blood is only an added measure for testing and in other article a screening of athlete to determine who they deem necessary for a urine test. But the urine is sufficient for detecting EPO.

which brings me to this video that i remember seeing earlier this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r...layer_embedded

based on this video, dated dec 11,team pac originally agreed with the olympic style testing. it's only when the mayweather's demanded excessive random blood sampling, which could possibly be done right before the fight, that team pac didn't want to be pulled a fast one on.

i still stand by my hair sampling compromise. it's less intrusive and more indicative if pac has ever used roids.

Hair testing does not detect EPO. EPO needs to be tested in the blood, if it comes back positive then a urine test is used to confirm it.

[erik_corrales]

Hair testing does not detect EPO. EPO needs to be tested in the blood, if it comes back positive then a urine test is used to confirm it.

then why not test it in urine and THEN blood to confirm?

[fan johnny]

From the link you have provided the blood is only an added measure for testing and in other article a screening of athlete to determine who they deem necessary for a urine test. But the urine is sufficient for detecting EPO.

which brings me to this video that i remember seeing earlier this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r...layer_embedded
based on this video, dated dec 11,team pac originally agreed with the olympic style testing. it's only when the mayweather's demanded excessive random blood sampling, which could possibly be done right before the fight, that team pac didn't want to be pulled a fast one on.

i still stand by my hair sampling compromise. it's less intrusive and more indicative if pac has ever used roids.

With regards to testing for synthetic EPO in the blood verses Urine, according to the experts. They look for the effects of EPO in the blood by measuring how much oxygen it can carry which is why taking blood is required (but it needs only be taken immediately after the fight.) They take urine samples to look for the actual synthetic molecule. But what cheaters do is wash their urine using an undetectable masking agent which is why they want the blood to confirm the effects. The thing is if they use the masking, it takes out all of the EPO both natural and synthetic so then can be concluded the urine sample was tampered with. If I'm an expert and know this, I won't make statement that don't make sense. The link I provided lists the type of testing they do for the groups of banned substances Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

I have also read the USADA cannot do the testing because it's rules don't allow it to participate but I can't find the link to the article and it was from a diffident guy than the one GBP uses as a reference.

I don't think Pacquiao needs to be defended about blood testing by his fans. He has stated his reasons you can accept them or not. If this is really a physiological battle, he is letting Mayweather get the upper hand by playing into it.

The longer this negotiation fiasco goes on in the media, the more I think this is all hoax.

[J_Undisputed]

Blood test at random might mean they mmay take pac's blood 2 days before the actual weigh in weakening him somewhat. This allegations started when dopehead sr. started this and every jealous motherfucker rode the tide. Believe then, as it was easy for you people to believe in the lochness monster. Pac was tested with urine tests before, he was negative. So is a lot of great fighters out there. Why don't they test jmm too, coz he came from 122 before but ko'ed juan diaz at 135, something that suico or katsidis failed to do?

They tried to but gave up after JMM kept drinking the samples, before they could be tested.

[Zilla]

Don't all changes that we eventually come to accept get greeted this way? I'm pretty sure no fan wanted 12 round championship fights, but its the norm now and better for fighters. I see no reason why this can't be the start of Olympic style testing in a sport that can easily have rampant steroid abusers all throughout. The fact that PBF is all for it and Pac is against it speaks volumes. And I don't buy for a second that a guy is so rattled by a needle that he can't recuperate in 2 days time when his profession involves getting punched in the face. I'm afraid of needles and by the time they take the needle out I'm fine. If it were already the standard would he get to be excused from it? No!

[Chino]

the $10m was a direct reaction immediately to mayweather's demand of olympic type drug testing so you got to see where it's coming from

And Mayweather accepted, no ifs no buts and no silly odd excuses like Pac that only raise doubts on his past accomplishments.

Taking the blood tests and coming out clean showing everybody that the rumors are not true is waaaaaay better than backing off and looking for cheap childish excuses making everybody have doubts about him using PEDs and questioning his accomplishments.

Like someone said before, imagine you were accused of stealing in a store and were asked to empty your pockets. Anybody would empty the pockets to prove them wrong as a slap in the face. It would be foolish to come up with excuses: "I am not showing you my pockets because I am supersticious...I will not show you my pockets because it makes me nervous...No no no, wait a minute, I won't show you my pockets because you just want to control me you bully...I will show you my pockets if you tell me exactly what day and time of the day you will come to check them..." Come on Pac! Prove people wrong and take the random blood tests!

Is Don King, Bob Arum, Pac, and Margarito in the same league now?

[KKisser]

the $10m was a direct reaction immediately to mayweather's demand of olympic type drug testing so you got to see where it's coming from

And Mayweather accepted, no ifs no buts and no silly odd excuses like Pac that only raise doubts on his past accomplishments.

Taking the blood tests and coming out clean showing everybody that the rumors are not true is waaaaaay better than backing off and looking for cheap childish excuses making everybody have doubts about him using PEDs and questioning his accomplishments.

Like someone said before, imagine you were accused of stealing in a store and were asked to empty your pockets. Anybody would empty the pockets to prove them wrong as a slap in the face. It would be foolish to come up with excuses: "I am not showing you my pockets because I am supersticious...I will not show you my pockets because it makes me nervous...No no no, wait a minute, I won't show you my pockets because you just want to control me you bully...I will show you my pockets if you tell me exactly what day and time of the day you will come to check them..." Come on Pac! Prove people wrong and take the random blood tests!

Is Don King, Bob Arum, Pac, and Margarito in the same league now?

chino, so now you're quoting me to make a completely different point. that was a response to your pac making all the demands. lol

[KKisser]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

[TheBranMan]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

So your solution to it all is for everyone to get all roided-up and fight each other using useless testing methods. You aren't a WWE fan by any chance, are you?

[KKisser]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

So your solution to it all is for everyone to get all roided-up and fight each other using useless testing methods. You aren't a WWE fan by any chance, are you?

well if the present testing in pro boxing isn't enough to catch these roiders, then the rest must be stupid not to do it. it seems manny is the only one doing it and getting away with it. lol

[killersheep]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

So your solution to it all is for everyone to get all roided-up and fight each other using useless testing methods. You aren't a WWE fan by any chance, are you?

well if the present testing in pro boxing isn't enough to catch these roiders, then the rest must be stupid not to do it. it seems manny is the only one doing it and getting away with it. lol

This is professional sports when you have the means to take your game to the next level to insure your income and legacy, how many people will jump on the opportunity to get that edge? I would say a hell of a lot more than are being caught. It may seem that Pacquiao is being singled out, but that's because of his reaction. Mayweather will be taking the tests as well, this is a totally overlooked point. It would be a nice sign for boxing that the best offensive and best defensive fight of our time could be the role models they should be, by subjecting themselves to the tests.

[Gandalf]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

No, no, no. I don't like that suggestion at all.

Surely, a random blood test for both fighters is a better option than allowing them to juice up and bash each others brains in.

Boxing needs to fix it's lacklustre ways and this fight is a good place to start, let's not excuse more illegal behaviour just because we want a fight. It's wrong and there is no way to defend it.

[KKisser]

really, this is all B.S. why ask pac to take this test when he's never asked any previous opponent before? that's why some people are questioning floyd that maybe he's afraid of manny. they talk about a level playing field, never mind agreeing to fight jmm at a catchweight and coming in 2lbs over, and now agreeing to face pac at 147lbs when pac isn't even a natural welter. team pac just doesn't want to be bullied into taking a test that never been done in this type of fight before. why are the mayweathers suddenly singling pacquiao out to take the test when it's never been required? are they afraid of something? why don't they just get on with the fight, forget the test, take peds themselves if they can get away with it. that's it, why not take the peds themselves? that will equal the playing field. in all honesty i think mayweather is losing his balls. just fight pacquiao floyd, take the peds yourself and see if you can get away with it. lmao!

No, no, no. I don't like that suggestion at all.

Surely, a random blood test for both fighters is a better option than allowing them to juice up and bash each others brains in.

Boxing needs to fix it's lacklustre ways and this fight is a good place to start, let's not excuse more illegal behaviour just because we want a fight. It's wrong and there is no way to defend it.

that was said tongue in cheek miles. honestly we all just want to see this fight. pacquiao really is okay with blood testing, just not a couple of days before the fight. i hope they can come up with a compromise soon that would be acceptable to both parties. these are just posturing but when egos get in the way the fight might not happen at all.

[erik_corrales]

They tried to but gave up after JMM kept drinking the samples, before they could be tested.