A neutrals perspective on the Manny debate ..........

[brucelee]

A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

[TheBranMan]

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

[brucelee]

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

[TheBranMan]

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

[generalbulldog]

Actually a muscle biopsy is a sure fire way to determine if anyone is on PEDs. Marion Jones and a crapload of American athletes pass their random blood and urine samples at the Olympics. It's not even that reliable.

Floyd should pursue a muscle biopsy instead. There are minimal risks involved also.

[brucelee]

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin. I was just correcting your use of prima donna. LOL.

English is not my first language and that makes me better than you in writing. I've studied english and latin grammar for 25 years, fyi.

NOw going back to the topic, I admit that you know better than me when it comes to PEDS. I've never used one. For sure, with the way you talk about PEDs, I can deduce that you're an expert through first hand experience.

Regarding, Pac agreeing to the random drug test, I've seen it in the news that he was agreeing to it. So I must have heard it wrong if he hasn't agreed to it.

Anyway, whether Pac agreed to it or not, I'm with an unwavering belief that Pac must agree to the random drug testing to prove to the world that he's really clean.

I must admit that when the issue was not yet this bloated, I was totally against submitting to the demands of the gayweathers regarding the random drug test.

But with the current turn of events, there is an exigency now on the part of team pacquaio to abide with the gayweathers' demand (that is, if they haven't agreed to it).

Hope that satisfies you BRANMAN aka Gayweather nuthugger.

[Kirkland Laing]

LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin.

Italian. It's etymological derivation is Latin.

[TheBranMan]

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin. I was just correcting your use of prima donna. LOL.

English is not my first language and that makes me better than you in writing. I've studied english and latin grammar for 25 years, fyi.

NOw going back to the topic, I admit that you know better than me when it comes to PEDS. I've never used one. For sure, with the way you talk about PEDs, I can deduce that you're an expert through first hand experience.

Regarding, Pac agreeing to the random drug test, I've seen it in the news that he was agreeing to it. So I must have heard it wrong if he hasn't agreed to it.

Anyway, whether Pac agreed to it or not, I'm with an unwavering belief that Pac must agree to the random drug testing to prove to the world that he's really clean.

I must admit that when the issue was not yet this bloated, I was totally against submitting to the demands of the gayweathers regarding the random drug test.

But with the current turn of events, there is an exigency now on the part of team pacquaio to abide with the gayweathers' demand (that is, if they haven't agreed to it).

Hope that satisfies you BRANMAN aka Gayweather nuthugger.

HAHAHHA
I won't bother correcting your numerous grammar-related errors (in that post alone) as I think you've carried that argument far enough. It's too bad that you can't correct me with such fervor and honesty concerning issues such as the one pertaining to the substances that Pacquiao has almost undoubtedly been utilizing.

The fact that you've resorted to accusing me of abusing performance enhancing drugs, for being educated on the athletic science behind them, just further reveals your child-like mind-state and the fact that, regardless of how I explain your hero and countryman, you will never fade from his defense, no matter what disgraceful truths are unearthed. I bid you good luck in your dark cave of untruths and I can only pray that justice is done. I too, hope that Pacquiao agrees to Olympic-style drug testing... but he won't. Alex Ariza is too clever and too educated in his field to be caught

[brucelee]

No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin. I was just correcting your use of prima donna. LOL.

English is not my first language and that makes me better than you in writing. I've studied english and latin grammar for 25 years, fyi.

NOw going back to the topic, I admit that you know better than me when it comes to PEDS. I've never used one. For sure, with the way you talk about PEDs, I can deduce that you're an expert through first hand experience.

Regarding, Pac agreeing to the random drug test, I've seen it in the news that he was agreeing to it. So I must have heard it wrong if he hasn't agreed to it.

Anyway, whether Pac agreed to it or not, I'm with an unwavering belief that Pac must agree to the random drug testing to prove to the world that he's really clean.

I must admit that when the issue was not yet this bloated, I was totally against submitting to the demands of the gayweathers regarding the random drug test.

But with the current turn of events, there is an exigency now on the part of team pacquaio to abide with the gayweathers' demand (that is, if they haven't agreed to it).

Hope that satisfies you BRANMAN aka Gayweather nuthugger.

HAHAHHA
I won't bother correcting your numerous grammar-related errors (in that post alone) as I think you've carried that argument far enough. It's too bad that you can't correct me with such fervor and honesty concerning issues such as the one pertaining to the substances that Pacquiao has almost undoubtedly been utilizing.

The fact that you've resorted to accusing me of abusing performance enhancing drugs, for being educated on the athletic science behind them, just further reveals your child-like mind-state and the fact that, regardless of how I explain your hero and countryman, you will never fade from his defense, no matter what disgraceful truths are unearthed. I bid you good luck in your dark cave of untruths and I can only pray that justice is done. I too, hope that Pacquiao agrees to Olympic-style drug testing... but he won't. Alex Ariza is too clever and too educated in his field to be caught

LOL.No worry Branman. You may correct my grammar but I know you can't. . Btw, here at Saddo, we don't mind grammar. We speak what we want. This is a boxing forum and we leave the grammar thing to the English majors.

Regarding the issue on blood testing, I'm sorry to tell you that I will defend Pac when I see that there is a reason to defend.

Anyway, with the current turn of events, I'm beginning to suspect now that Pac is on steroids or PEDs.

That's our difference Branman. I know when to stop defending my favorite fighter.

How about you? When will you stop nuthugging Gayweather?