A neutrals perspective on the Manny debate ..........

[TheBranMan]

tell that to the NSAC.

NO PROOFS NO EVIDENCE, ALL BASELESS ACCUSATIONS SPECULATION

Manny refuses to give us the proof that he's innocent. All he has to do is to give a few teaspoons of blood, yet he refuses to do it and is making endless ridiculous excuses for not doing so even though he's losing a $40 million payday and his reputation by continuing to refuse. Why won't he give us the proof?

NEVER in the history of boxing has there been any "olympic style" random bloodtesting. its just the demand of the mayweathers/gbp.

mannyP has NEVER FAILED any medical tests given by ALL boxing governing bodies

lets see what happens next...

A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....

[pacQ]

Manny refuses to give us the proof that he's innocent. All he has to do is to give a few teaspoons of blood, yet he refuses to do it and is making endless ridiculous excuses for not doing so even though he's losing a $40 million payday and his reputation by continuing to refuse. Why won't he give us the proof?

NEVER in the history of boxing has there been any "olympic style" random bloodtesting. its just the demand of the mayweathers/gbp.

mannyP has NEVER FAILED any medical tests given by ALL boxing governing bodies

lets see what happens next...

A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

[TheBranMan]

NEVER in the history of boxing has there been any "olympic style" random bloodtesting. its just the demand of the mayweathers/gbp.

mannyP has NEVER FAILED any medical tests given by ALL boxing governing bodies

lets see what happens next...

A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

[brucelee]

A demand that will need to come into fruition in the sport at some point anyway, unless we want it to become a roided-up joke like the WWE. Why should it not happen now? Why not set a good example for the future of the sport in the biggest fight of our generation? Oh wait.. that's right, because Manny's scarred or needles, or superstitious, or whatever the excuse is this week....

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

[TheBranMan]

i dont think so esp. the demand came from the mayweathers & gbp. they wont own him!

personally i also want a clean boxing world. but it should be for ALL not only for mannyP just because the mayweathers and gbp sez so

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

[brucelee]

It isn't so that everyone in boxing is juicing except for Manny (yeh right :P), he can rest assured that Floyd is undergoing exactly the same tests that he's having to do. If it's only about ego then Floyd and GBP have already bent on their idea of USADA testing to suit Manny. He can't have everything his way.

Also, by your logic, if this was suggested by anyone but MW (governing body maybe), it would be worthwhile? Well, everyone now wants to know if Manny's been using. Silence your critics Manny, take the damn tests.

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

[TheBranMan]

Just to satisfy you.... Manny is waiting for Mayweather's decision now to accept the deal.

manny agreed to a random drug testing. period.

if you can't still accept that kind of testing, I don't know what will satisfy you.

or....


maybe mayweather's is truly ducking Pac now just as he has ducked Cotto and Margarito.


Don't tell me now that you're an expert on PEDs detection after I've shown you some links.

FACT is.... gayweather is making ludicrous demands as Pac had also made his.

This PED issue has to rest if the Gayweather camp really wants to pursue this fight.

Their deadline to make a decision is today.

The only thing you did was admit on another thread that you don't know anything about PED detection. The links that someone else posted only showed possible advancements in the detection of HGH and detection of EPO in urine tests. Even if both were true, those are only 2 of many PEDs. As usual your argument is weak... and again, do you have a link supporting your statement that Manny has accepted random blood testing? Are there no more little pre-madonna strings attached to this one?

so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna.

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).