So the fight is off but how the hell is it Mayweathers fault???

[Majesty]

First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

[skel1983]

First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that .

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things .

[skel1983]

Maybe Floyd wanted a blood test after every round?? Do you reckon that would of been sufficent?

[Mar]

It's neither and both of thier faults. Ah well, that's two boxers out of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 out there. Let's just watch some of them. Floyd would have won and the fight would have been boring anyway.

[erik_corrales]

floyd never wanted the fight. i remember when they wanted to negotiate with the owner of the dallas stadium, schafer and co didn't want any part of it. maybe at the back of their minds they were like "i won't waste my time with this, it won't happen anyway"

[Majesty]

First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that .

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things .

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”



Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

[Taeth]

Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that .

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things .

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”



Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

[fan johnny]

Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that .

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things .

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

[Tysonbruno]

Mayweather blames bout collapse on Pacquiao - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

[Waleed]

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

LOL! Indeed he knows what he is talking about...Backing up with source--a quote from Travis Tygart

[zhubin]

Some people on this board need to get their head out of the sand and do research about PED's and the testing for them. The ONLY, 100% effective test to determine if an athlete is completely clear of all PED's is a MUSCLE BIOPSY. Good luck getting ANY sports body or athlete agreeing to that. At this point...the drugs are WAY ahead of the testing. Many athletes and their "team" (which often consist of doctors on their payroll) know how to cycle off and on drugs and evade getting caught. The fact that Manny refuses even the random blood testing put forth for this fight, makes him look extremely suspicious. Floyd is no angel...and unless this is all some marketing ploy to sell the fight...he has made Pac, his team, and Arum look foolish.

[Kirkland Laing]

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

[fan johnny]

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

Officials Question a Blood Test That Is Never Positive

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html

The link to the article basically says the blood test itself was being sold to catch cheaters but doesn't work. The proponents for the blood test argue It hasn't caught anyone because it has to be applied out of competition. If no test comes back positive, then they are confident that hgh is not being used.

Here's the nanotrap test itself. CeresNano
USADA has contributed funding for it's development two years ago. Why would a guy say there is no way to detect hgh in urine when he puts up money to help the development and knows it is available?
USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

This not the Olympics where you are testing 100s of Athletes with profiling techniques. Masking techniques work in a production applications because it's purpose is to avoid being red flagged for additional testing. Masking is self incriminating because it wipes out all the substances targeted both natural and synthetic. Not only that the testing will be a gamut for all banned substances on the list. Besides there is plenty of people around that would pull on Pacquiao's and Mayweather's dicks to make sure the piss is real.

[Tysonbruno]

This is basically how i feel about it Boxing News

[UKPH]

Basically Al Haymon and GBP are OK but Floyd simply dumps the offer.
AL Haymon and GBP believes in Floyd Jr. but Floyd I think he's not ready to fight.

Wow comparing an olympian Bolt to a fighter? who has more brutal sport of the two?
Can we name in U.S and England boxers currently using this DAYS style of blood screening?

Can we determine the difference the 24days before and after the fight blood testing? If Pac found guilty after the fight it will tarnished he's legacy as simple as that.

Well Pacquiao doesnt need $40M I guess $10-12M dollars is very huge in his country.

Maybe Floyd needs it....we know..thats why he's back... but his ego to much seems to laugh by making his own commission on boxing,

Now he's goin for M.Hatton and Malignaggi this is a joke for boxing really. He's been around five years in WELTERS. Thats why he accused of ducking

Floyd vs. Mosley is good better than Pac-Foreman. Pac could really lose to bigger undefeated champion foreman.

but FloydJr. vs. M.Hatton/Malignaggi - complete joke!


What tryin to say here I would believe that Floyd Jr. can WIN EASILY with Pacquiao no doubt about that, physically reach advantage even speed and experience as welters.

Both found clean by NSCA. GBP and AL Haymon wants it because they believe of FLoyd, and why FLoyd doesnt want it?