So the fight is off but how the hell is it Mayweathers fault???

[fan johnny]

Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that .

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things .

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

[Tysonbruno]

Mayweather blames bout collapse on Pacquiao - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

[Waleed]

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

LOL! Indeed he knows what he is talking about...Backing up with source--a quote from Travis Tygart

[zhubin]

Some people on this board need to get their head out of the sand and do research about PED's and the testing for them. The ONLY, 100% effective test to determine if an athlete is completely clear of all PED's is a MUSCLE BIOPSY. Good luck getting ANY sports body or athlete agreeing to that. At this point...the drugs are WAY ahead of the testing. Many athletes and their "team" (which often consist of doctors on their payroll) know how to cycle off and on drugs and evade getting caught. The fact that Manny refuses even the random blood testing put forth for this fight, makes him look extremely suspicious. Floyd is no angel...and unless this is all some marketing ploy to sell the fight...he has made Pac, his team, and Arum look foolish.

[erik_corrales]

Some people on this board need to get their head out of the sand and do research about PED's and the testing for them. The ONLY, 100% effective test to determine if an athlete is completely clear of all PED's is a MUSCLE BIOPSY. Good luck getting ANY sports body or athlete agreeing to that. At this point...the drugs are WAY ahead of the testing. Many athletes and their "team" (which often consist of doctors on their payroll) know how to cycle off and on drugs and evade getting caught. The fact that Manny refuses even the random blood testing put forth for this fight, makes him look extremely suspicious. Floyd is no angel...and unless this is all some marketing ploy to sell the fight...he has made Pac, his team, and Arum look foolish.

THIS

[tingkagol]

I've been lurking around this forum for awhile and I just had to register after everything that has happened.

I was initially pissed off with Manny to be honest, but then I came across this:

“I’ve always looked upon these types of negotiations as a kind of ritual of dominance. ‘I can impose my will on you in the negotiations, therefore I can impose my will on you in the fight.’

Merchant: From the beginning, I thought that it was gamesmanship. That Mayweather has been very clever and intuitive about picking out the vulnerabilities -- real or imagined -- of opponents, and using that as psychological warfare to build up the fight.

He's done that in the past, so that's how I initially saw this. There are several reasons for my view on this. No. 1, what if they found something? Does Mayweather really want the fight to be canceled, given the fact that he believes strongly that he's going to win?

Also, given the certainty of making upwards of $30, or, maybe $40 million, does he really want to find something? You can flip that and say, 'If that's what Pacquiao has used to move up the scale, and Mayweather believes that he's going to win any way and is going to make all of that money, then he ought to be thanking the drug-maker.'

If the drug-maker has delivered this kind of package to Mayweather -- a guy he can beat and a guy that he can make all of this money off of -- then why would he want to screw that up?

Now I really hate that Manny had to satisfy his superstitious belief that he will somehow become weak if blood is drawn from him close to the fight. I think this stemmed from his loss to Erik Morales wherein blood was drawn from Pacquiao 2 days prior to the fight. That is just the most annoying excuse ever, even if it is true. It's either this or he's on roids, but regardless- I am definitely certain that Pacquiao is not afraid to fight Mayweather.

On the other hand, Floyd can probably beat Manny, but with his reputation of avoiding potential opponents that can beat him, it's quite easy to assume he's afraid that Manny might do just that. I honestly believe there is no other reason, and that's coming from a guy who says he can beat Manny Pacquiao regardless if he's roided or not. So he goes on a crusade to nitpick Manny's little quirks (if they indeed are, and not just excuses)- and finds the whole blood testing thing to do his work for him... etc etc.


Ugh. I am thoroughly disgusted by both of them.

[Kirkland Laing]

Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

[fan johnny]

Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

Officials Question a Blood Test That Is Never Positive

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html

The link to the article basically says the blood test itself was being sold to catch cheaters but doesn't work. The proponents for the blood test argue It hasn't caught anyone because it has to be applied out of competition. If no test comes back positive, then they are confident that hgh is not being used.

Here's the nanotrap test itself. CeresNano
USADA has contributed funding for it's development two years ago. Why would a guy say there is no way to detect hgh in urine when he puts up money to help the development and knows it is available?
USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

This not the Olympics where you are testing 100s of Athletes with profiling techniques. Masking techniques work in a production applications because it's purpose is to avoid being red flagged for additional testing. Masking is self incriminating because it wipes out all the substances targeted both natural and synthetic. Not only that the testing will be a gamut for all banned substances on the list. Besides there is plenty of people around that would pull on Pacquiao's and Mayweather's dicks to make sure the piss is real.

[Kirkland Laing]

I love it! <-----

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

Officials Question a Blood Test That Is Never Positive

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html

The link to the article basically says the blood test itself was being sold to catch cheaters but doesn't work. The proponents for the blood test argue It hasn't caught anyone because it has to be applied out of competition. If no test comes back positive, then they are confident that hgh is not being used.

Here's the nanotrap test itself. CeresNano
USADA has contributed funding for it's development two years ago. Why would a guy say there is no way to detect hgh in urine when he puts up money to help the development and knows it is available?
USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

This not the Olympics where you are testing 100s of Athletes with profiling techniques. Masking techniques work in a production applications because it's purpose is to avoid being red flagged for additional testing. Masking is self incriminating because it wipes out all the substances targeted both natural and synthetic. Not only that the testing will be a gamut for all banned substances on the list. Besides there is plenty of people around that would pull on Pacquiao's and Mayweather's dicks to make sure the piss is real.

The article doesn't say that the blood test doesn't work.

The new urine test USADA are funding is still in development, doesn't exist yet.

As far as the heads of the testing organisations are concerned -- crucially, people who know what they're talking about -- random blood testing is the most effective testing mehod currently available.

Here's something anybody wanting to know about drug testing should read :

USADA's Travis Tygart on Blood-Testing, Steroids, Boxing -- Boxing FanHouse