This is my take on it all.....

[fan johnny]

Kirkland Lang posted a very good article about one of the very highest specialists on the steroids matter in another topic, the guy stated clearly that it was very easy to avoid getting caught with a 24 days window and how blood was necessary nowaday to detect steroids. Also, Victor Conte, the mastermind behind many athletes prowess, the man behind Balco, said that blood tests were vital but not for the reason we think:

"In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone. Measuring hematocrit levels (percentage of red blood cells to total whole blood volume) is very important. For example, even without a positive urine test for EPO, cyclists are temporarily suspended for two weeks if their hematocrit is greater than 50%. An elevated hematocrit can provide a significant advantage to a fighter by enhancing oxygen uptake and utilization. This would benefit a fighter in training and especially during the later rounds of a fight."

He continues and explained later about the cycle thing;

""Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days," explained Conte."So if you know when you’re going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you’re going to test negative. So that is really an issue."

Victor Conte weighs in on Pacquiao v Mayweather drug testing saga.

Sorry but if the greatest cheater ever is so aware of that and give us such important and well articulated details, I quite believe what he says makes sense and that there is a reason to ask for random tests there.

Expert presented or not, I have yet to see any "evidence" that random blood tests do any good in proving the use of EPO, hgh or any other steroid use that testing immediately following a fight would not.

The above statement by Conte only says blood testing is a validator to urine testing with regards to the use of EPO.

He goes on but makes general statements about about the use of other substances but does not provide any proofs. Is he is selling himself as an expert, rather than providing testimony about the need for random blood testing? Is he actually saying this is how we catch cheaters? Or is he really saying lets go fishing! Why should boxing buy any of this and get on the same boat with this guy? How does it help boxing?

Science and the application of technologies are exacting. If you know what you are looking for, you don't need random!

[ninjaspy3]

Kirkland Lang posted a very good article about one of the very highest specialists on the steroids matter in another topic, the guy stated clearly that it was very easy to avoid getting caught with a 24 days window and how blood was necessary nowaday to detect steroids. Also, Victor Conte, the mastermind behind many athletes prowess, the man behind Balco, said that blood tests were vital but not for the reason we think:

"In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone. Measuring hematocrit levels (percentage of red blood cells to total whole blood volume) is very important. For example, even without a positive urine test for EPO, cyclists are temporarily suspended for two weeks if their hematocrit is greater than 50%. An elevated hematocrit can provide a significant advantage to a fighter by enhancing oxygen uptake and utilization. This would benefit a fighter in training and especially during the later rounds of a fight."

He continues and explained later about the cycle thing;

""Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days," explained Conte."So if you know when you’re going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you’re going to test negative. So that is really an issue."

Victor Conte weighs in on Pacquiao v Mayweather drug testing saga.

Sorry but if the greatest cheater ever is so aware of that and give us such important and well articulated details, I quite believe what he says makes sense and that there is a reason to ask for random tests there.

Expert presented or not, I have yet to see any "evidence" that random blood tests do any good in proving the use of EPO, hgh or any other steroid use that testing immediately following a fight would not.

The above statement by Conte only says blood testing is a validator to urine testing with regards to the use of EPO.

He goes on but makes general statements about about the use of other substances but does not provide any proofs. Is he is selling himself as an expert, rather than providing testimony about the need for random blood testing? Is he actually saying this is how we catch cheaters? Or is he really saying lets go fishing! Why should boxing buy any of this and get on the same boat with this guy? How does it help boxing?

Science and the application of technologies are exacting. If you know what you are looking for, you don't need random!

Is your post doing anything other than derailing what seemed to be a pretty logical look at the matter?

[Kel]

I think Floyd asking for the tests was an insult to Manny. Manny refusing the tests would have been fine, Floyd does not make the rules of the commission, simple as that. But we got the "I'm scared of needles" and "It weakens me" stuff, so what are we to make of that?

Now he wants to sue Mayweather I'd prefer to take the tests and kick Floyds arse for 40 odd million. If I had nothing to hide that is.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I think Floyd asking for the tests was an insult to Manny. Manny refusing the tests would have been fine, Floyd does not make the rules of the commission, simple as that. But we got the "I'm scared of needles" and "It weakens me" stuff, so what are we to make of that?

Now he wants to sue Mayweather I'd prefer to take the tests and kick Floyds arse for 40 odd million. If I had nothing to hide that is.

...and nomatter how you see it... In that lies the dilema.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I think Floyd asking for the tests was an insult to Manny. Manny refusing the tests would have been fine, Floyd does not make the rules of the commission, simple as that. But we got the "I'm scared of needles" and "It weakens me" stuff, so what are we to make of that?

Now he wants to sue Mayweather I'd prefer to take the tests and kick Floyds arse for 40 odd million. If I had nothing to hide that is.

I think it's obvious Manny is a politician now

[JJson]

That's the problem here. Even if Pacquiao isn't guilty, his reaction is tallying with those who have been guilty in the recent past. This is what bothers me most of all. If he'd just said, I don't like it too near the fight and asked for 3 days to a week before the fight as a cut-off point, I'd be more inclined to believe it's pride or superstition. But he's following what feels like a well-worn path and why as much as we might want to, it's difficult to do the whole 'innocent till proven guilty' thing all over again.

Remember Marion Jones. She sued USADA. Remember Rafael Palmiero. He wagged his finger at Congress. MP's reaction to the allegations is identical to the kind of self righteous indignation we saw emanating from those two.

Who the hell is Manny Pacquio that an American Boxer like PBF cannot challenge his authenticity as a Fighter? He was not asked to undergo an unfair invasion of privacy. PBF is eligible for the same intrusions as Manny. It seem to me that the praise being heaped on MP has gone to his head and he believes that he is Christ resurected, and immune from censure. To hell with him.

I have lost all respect for MP as a fighter. He is a girl, and behaves like a girl. When someone takes away his favourite doll, in this instant his falsely inflated ego, he goes running to Mama, in this instant the courts. What a wus!!!