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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    It's not the superfight that PBF-Pacquiao would be (obviously), but as long as there aren't any bullshit catchweight stipulations Pacquiao - Clottey is a legitimate fight. I'm hard pressed to think of a more challenging opponent at 147 who would be able to make the Mar. 13 date.
    I agree. Assuming it happens, which is a big assumption, the funny thing is now Pacquiao will have fought more legitimate welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career. Actually, it was already funny when he fought Cotto before Floyd did.

    Neither Floyd or Manny are my favorite fighters, therefore, I am not as passionate about this as some of you guys have been. Where I stand on all of this is that at the end of the day, Pac should have submitted to the random tests to shut Floyd up, but nothing Floyd has done has changed my mind about his career over the last four years. Somehow Floyd, for good reason perhaps, managed to wiggle his way out of the first legitimate test he's ever faced at welterweight. Again, Pacquiao should have taken the tests, but still.

    Since the Pac fight isn't happening, Floyd needs to silence his own critics and fight Shane or some other legitimate threat at or above his weight. Bottom Line. End of story.
    So facing a bigger undefeated Ricky Hatton, or a Carlos Baldomir who just beat Judah and Gatti and was the linear WW champ, but also undefeated in over 8 years weren't legitimate tests for Mayweather at WW? Many people now are saying they knew all along that Floyd would beat Baldomir the way he did or that Floyd would beat Ricky the way he did, but they didn't at the time. In fact if you look back at the pre-fight ring magazine for Floyd against Baldomir a lot of the magazines thought it was either going to be a close tough fight for Floyd or that Carlos would win because he was too big and he had already beaten Zab, who's athleticism, gave Floyd some troubles.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    It's not the superfight that PBF-Pacquiao would be (obviously), but as long as there aren't any bullshit catchweight stipulations Pacquiao - Clottey is a legitimate fight. I'm hard pressed to think of a more challenging opponent at 147 who would be able to make the Mar. 13 date.
    I agree. Assuming it happens, which is a big assumption, the funny thing is now Pacquiao will have fought more legitimate welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career. Actually, it was already funny when he fought Cotto before Floyd did.

    Neither Floyd or Manny are my favorite fighters, therefore, I am not as passionate about this as some of you guys have been. Where I stand on all of this is that at the end of the day, Pac should have submitted to the random tests to shut Floyd up, but nothing Floyd has done has changed my mind about his career over the last four years. Somehow Floyd, for good reason perhaps, managed to wiggle his way out of the first legitimate test he's ever faced at welterweight. Again, Pacquiao should have taken the tests, but still.

    Since the Pac fight isn't happening, Floyd needs to silence his own critics and fight Shane or some other legitimate threat at or above his weight. Bottom Line. End of story.
    So facing a bigger undefeated Ricky Hatton, or a Carlos Baldomir who just beat Judah and Gatti and was the linear WW champ, but also undefeated in over 8 years weren't legitimate tests for Mayweather at WW? Many people now are saying they knew all along that Floyd would beat Baldomir the way he did or that Floyd would beat Ricky the way he did, but they didn't at the time. In fact if you look back at the pre-fight ring magazine for Floyd against Baldomir a lot of the magazines thought it was either going to be a close tough fight for Floyd or that Carlos would win because he was too big and he had already beaten Zab, who's athleticism, gave Floyd some troubles.
    Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey are more challenging fights at welterweight than Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post

    I agree. Assuming it happens, which is a big assumption, the funny thing is now Pacquiao will have fought more legitimate welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career. Actually, it was already funny when he fought Cotto before Floyd did.

    Neither Floyd or Manny are my favorite fighters, therefore, I am not as passionate about this as some of you guys have been. Where I stand on all of this is that at the end of the day, Pac should have submitted to the random tests to shut Floyd up, but nothing Floyd has done has changed my mind about his career over the last four years. Somehow Floyd, for good reason perhaps, managed to wiggle his way out of the first legitimate test he's ever faced at welterweight. Again, Pacquiao should have taken the tests, but still.

    Since the Pac fight isn't happening, Floyd needs to silence his own critics and fight Shane or some other legitimate threat at or above his weight. Bottom Line. End of story.
    So facing a bigger undefeated Ricky Hatton, or a Carlos Baldomir who just beat Judah and Gatti and was the linear WW champ, but also undefeated in over 8 years weren't legitimate tests for Mayweather at WW? Many people now are saying they knew all along that Floyd would beat Baldomir the way he did or that Floyd would beat Ricky the way he did, but they didn't at the time. In fact if you look back at the pre-fight ring magazine for Floyd against Baldomir a lot of the magazines thought it was either going to be a close tough fight for Floyd or that Carlos would win because he was too big and he had already beaten Zab, who's athleticism, gave Floyd some troubles.
    Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey are more challenging fights at welterweight than Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.
    Now you're changing the criteria for your argument. I would say Baldomir and Zab were legit WW challenges moreso over Pacquiao, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post

    So facing a bigger undefeated Ricky Hatton, or a Carlos Baldomir who just beat Judah and Gatti and was the linear WW champ, but also undefeated in over 8 years weren't legitimate tests for Mayweather at WW? Many people now are saying they knew all along that Floyd would beat Baldomir the way he did or that Floyd would beat Ricky the way he did, but they didn't at the time. In fact if you look back at the pre-fight ring magazine for Floyd against Baldomir a lot of the magazines thought it was either going to be a close tough fight for Floyd or that Carlos would win because he was too big and he had already beaten Zab, who's athleticism, gave Floyd some troubles.
    Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey are more challenging fights at welterweight than Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.
    Now you're changing the criteria for your argument. I would say Baldomir and Zab were legit WW challenges moreso over Pacquiao, if anything.
    You may be right on that point. Pac beat Cotto who beat Zab though. But, there is no way to tell.

    My point was that Pacquiao will have fought more legit welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career.
    Last edited by Rantcatrat; 01-08-2010 at 03:41 PM.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post

    Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey are more challenging fights at welterweight than Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.
    Now you're changing the criteria for your argument. I would say Baldomir and Zab were legit WW challenges moreso over Pacquiao, if anything.
    You may be right on that point. Pac beat Cotto who beat Zab though. But, there is no way to tell.

    My point was that Pacquiao will have fought more legit welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career.
    That wasn't what you said at first. You said Pac would have been Floyd's first legit WW challenge. Then you moved on to legit welters that Pac has fought. You're absolutely right, though. If Pac does fight Clottey he will have fought more legit WWs than Floyd. But if Floyd and Pac get it on Pac still isn't a legit WW. At least in my book.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post

    Now you're changing the criteria for your argument. I would say Baldomir and Zab were legit WW challenges moreso over Pacquiao, if anything.
    You may be right on that point. Pac beat Cotto who beat Zab though. But, there is no way to tell.

    My point was that Pacquiao will have fought more legit welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career.
    That wasn't what you said at first. You said Pac would have been Floyd's first legit WW challenge. Then you moved on to legit welters that Pac has fought. You're absolutely right, though. If Pac does fight Clottey he will have fought more legit WWs than Floyd. But if Floyd and Pac get it on Pac still isn't a legit WW. At least in my book.
    Fair enough. I stand corrected. My main point is what you addressed in this post. Pac may be better at 140, but he has done pretty well so far at 147 and if he beats Clottey, very well.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post

    You may be right on that point. Pac beat Cotto who beat Zab though. But, there is no way to tell.

    My point was that Pacquiao will have fought more legit welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career.
    That wasn't what you said at first. You said Pac would have been Floyd's first legit WW challenge. Then you moved on to legit welters that Pac has fought. You're absolutely right, though. If Pac does fight Clottey he will have fought more legit WWs than Floyd. But if Floyd and Pac get it on Pac still isn't a legit WW. At least in my book.
    Fair enough. I stand corrected. My main point is what you addressed in this post. Pac may be better at 140, but he has done pretty well so far at 147 and if he beats Clottey, very well.
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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    I seriously doubt this fight will happen, I mean come on they are willing to take on Clottey who in his last fight didn't he come in close to 170# after rehydrating, but they won't fight Yuri Foreman for an 8th title? The only fight that should be made is with Floyd.

    I call bullshit here
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    I really hope Joshua asks Pac for the same random blood tests but I am not so sure if any guy out there who has never made a big fat check in any fight would be tempted to loose that opportunity . Pac once again will look spectacular and we'll have to listen to Freddy Roach, Bob Arum, Pac Team, and Pac, talk about how great they are and everybody wants to avoid fighting him blah blah blah.

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    I haven't really been following the whole Manny Pacquiao, steroid circus so i'd rather avoid that. As for this actual fight i don't believe this fight will happen, Joshua Clottey is far too big. I mean in one fight didn't he almost weigh close to 170 ?

    He's also far too much of a risk with little reward, only amongst hardcore boxing fans would Manny Pacquiao get credit. Normal average joe fans wouldn't of heard of Joshua Clottey.

    So i really doubt Manny Pacquiao's team will take this fight, style wise Manny Pacquiao should win, because Joshua Clottey goes into too much of shell. And he never seems to take that extra step to become a truly elite fighter.

    But you never know Joshua Clottey is a big guy, with very good countering abilities and a good defense. And even though his KO ratio isn't great, i still think he can hurt Manny Pacquiao.

    But as i said i doubt it happens, although it would be very impressive if it did happen and full credit to Manny Pacquiao if he does indeed take the fight.

    Im a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but if its true that Floyd Mayweather is taking on Matthew Hatton, then i will lose some respect for Floyd Mayweather Jr, why the hell would he want that fight ?

    He already got the ring rust off against a fighter x4 better than Matthew Hatton, Matthew Hatton is a good journeyman fighter at best. Who hasn't even really got a big following, even though he's Ricky Hatton brother.

    Why not take on the Berto/Mosley winner ? why waste the fans time with this rubbish ?

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    I haven't really been following the whole Manny Pacquiao, steroid circus so i'd rather avoid that. As for this actual fight i don't believe this fight will happen, Joshua Clottey is far too big. I mean in one fight didn't he almost weigh close to 170 ?

    He's also far too much of a risk with little reward, only amongst hardcore boxing fans would Manny Pacquiao get credit. Normal average joe fans wouldn't of heard of Joshua Clottey.

    So i really doubt Manny Pacquiao's team will take this fight, style wise Manny Pacquiao should win, because Joshua Clottey goes into too much of shell. And he never seems to take that extra step to become a truly elite fighter.

    But you never know Joshua Clottey is a big guy, with very good countering abilities and a good defense. And even though his KO ratio isn't great, i still think he can hurt Manny Pacquiao.

    But as i said i doubt it happens, although it would be very impressive if it did happen and full credit to Manny Pacquiao if he does indeed take the fight.

    Im a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but if its true that Floyd Mayweather is taking on Matthew Hatton, then i will lose some respect for Floyd Mayweather Jr, why the hell would he want that fight ?

    He already got the ring rust off against a fighter x4 better than Matthew Hatton, Matthew Hatton is a good journeyman fighter at best. Who hasn't even really got a big following, even though he's Ricky Hatton brother.

    Why not take on the Berto/Mosley winner ? why waste the fans time with this rubbish ?

    well the fight weight was 149 and he weighed in fully clothed with a coat,jeans etc so not easy to tell what he really weighed

    i agree with everything else, odd choice of fight for pac, big big risk.... and if he beats clottey alot will think 'so what, clottey was already beat by cotto ... it means nothing'

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    I haven't really been following the whole Manny Pacquiao, steroid circus so i'd rather avoid that. As for this actual fight i don't believe this fight will happen, Joshua Clottey is far too big. I mean in one fight didn't he almost weigh close to 170 ?

    He's also far too much of a risk with little reward, only amongst hardcore boxing fans would Manny Pacquiao get credit. Normal average joe fans wouldn't of heard of Joshua Clottey.

    So i really doubt Manny Pacquiao's team will take this fight, style wise Manny Pacquiao should win, because Joshua Clottey goes into too much of shell. And he never seems to take that extra step to become a truly elite fighter.

    But you never know Joshua Clottey is a big guy, with very good countering abilities and a good defense. And even though his KO ratio isn't great, i still think he can hurt Manny Pacquiao.

    But as i said i doubt it happens, although it would be very impressive if it did happen and full credit to Manny Pacquiao if he does indeed take the fight.

    Im a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but if its true that Floyd Mayweather is taking on Matthew Hatton, then i will lose some respect for Floyd Mayweather Jr, why the hell would he want that fight ?

    He already got the ring rust off against a fighter x4 better than Matthew Hatton, Matthew Hatton is a good journeyman fighter at best. Who hasn't even really got a big following, even though he's Ricky Hatton brother.

    Why not take on the Berto/Mosley winner ? why waste the fans time with this rubbish ?

    well the fight weight was 149 and he weighed in fully clothed with a coat,jeans etc so not easy to tell what he really weighed

    i agree with everything else, odd choice of fight for pac, big big risk.... and if he beats clottey alot will think 'so what, clottey was already beat by cotto ... it means nothing'
    Its not really an add choice at all. He is fighting the best available Top Rank fighter. His next opponent was always gonna be Top Rank because they wont ask for drug tests.

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    Default Re: Looks like it's Pac v Clottey on 13/03/10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post

    I agree. Assuming it happens, which is a big assumption, the funny thing is now Pacquiao will have fought more legitimate welterweights in one year than Floyd has his whole career. Actually, it was already funny when he fought Cotto before Floyd did.

    Neither Floyd or Manny are my favorite fighters, therefore, I am not as passionate about this as some of you guys have been. Where I stand on all of this is that at the end of the day, Pac should have submitted to the random tests to shut Floyd up, but nothing Floyd has done has changed my mind about his career over the last four years. Somehow Floyd, for good reason perhaps, managed to wiggle his way out of the first legitimate test he's ever faced at welterweight. Again, Pacquiao should have taken the tests, but still.

    Since the Pac fight isn't happening, Floyd needs to silence his own critics and fight Shane or some other legitimate threat at or above his weight. Bottom Line. End of story.
    So facing a bigger undefeated Ricky Hatton, or a Carlos Baldomir who just beat Judah and Gatti and was the linear WW champ, but also undefeated in over 8 years weren't legitimate tests for Mayweather at WW? Many people now are saying they knew all along that Floyd would beat Baldomir the way he did or that Floyd would beat Ricky the way he did, but they didn't at the time. In fact if you look back at the pre-fight ring magazine for Floyd against Baldomir a lot of the magazines thought it was either going to be a close tough fight for Floyd or that Carlos would win because he was too big and he had already beaten Zab, who's athleticism, gave Floyd some troubles.
    Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey are more challenging fights at welterweight than Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.
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