One More Question

[Kirkland Laing]

[continued] So, while you might not think of EPO being all that appealing to boxers, that's what allegedly Mosely was doing out of BALCO. And that makes perfectly good sense to us, because that's going to give you the kind of endurance you need in a late round in a hotly-contested and fought boxing match.

It's also going to greatly improve your ability to train. So there is also this sort of recovery training issue and what's it going to do for you on fight night. And it's significant.

Dr. Johnny has noting but innuendo and half truths in his blog and fails to present any tangible scientific facts. He says nothing to back up claim that Mayweather knows a thing or two. Nothing! Take a look at the comments.

A very convoluted interview from the good Dr. Tygart. It means nothing as far as random blood being needed to find HGH that urine testing couldn't do. I have already addressed the issue of HGH in other posts. There has never (Yes, NEVER!) been a positive blood test for HGH of an athlete. It doesn't work. The experts have claimed to the Anti-doping committees and congress that the reasons it hasn't worked so far is because the test is being applied wrong. (i.e. at competitions) Hence we now have random testing out of competition. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html
Conclusion: The Scientist made a lot of money selling this product and can't back it up. So now we have random testing. We now have scientist that have resulted to fishing.

There is a test for HGH that may have more success which is a urine test.
CeresNano

Given that it is extremely difficult to catch a cheater using the HGH, then why doesn't the good doctor recommend the use of the urine test? The subject is a single event where there are only two combatants. It doesn't warrant an Olympic-Style setup for 1000's of competitors that are screened for irregularities and then once someone as an irregularity further testing is applied. The point is the interview he is giving is more geared toward selling the testing procedures for boxing as a whole and not specifically for this one fight.

Now for EPO. If EPO is used, it's purpose is to increase the oxygen capacity of blood. It would do absolutely no good to use EPO during training and then cycle off it for the fight. It would actually have a counter effect. So there is absolutely no reason that testing 30 days before and immediately following the fight that EPO couldn't be detected if used. In addition EPO can be tested for using urine which is actually a direct method rather than just blood profiling which is an indirect method. Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

So check it out.

If your going to dig an experts link out, try to do one that doesn't have a hard on for Mayweather or strong ties to GBP. They appear to have altier motives and tend not to give complete answers.

Yes, the head of the US Olympic anti-doping organisation, the man who oversees the testing of over 3000 athletes is biased towards Mayweather. The only evidence of bias you can show is that Manny says they are. If an American athlete refused to let the USADA random test him, said he'd only take scheduled tests at times he agreed to and accused the USADA od being biased he'd be destroyed by the US media overnight. If he continued refusing testing as long as Manny has his career would be over.

As far as the drug testing goes I'm going to go with the heads of the anti-doping organisations -- you know, the people who know what they're talking about -- over the claims of a Pacneedle fan.

[fan johnny]

Yes, the head of the US Olympic anti-doping organisation, the man who oversees the testing of over 3000 athletes is biased towards Mayweather. The only evidence of bias you can show is that Manny says they are. If an American athlete refused to let the USADA random test him, said he'd only take scheduled tests at times he agreed to and accused the USADA od being biased he'd be destroyed by the US media overnight. If he continued refusing testing as long as Manny has his career would be over.

As far as the drug testing goes I'm going to go with the heads of the anti-doping organisations -- you know, the people who know what they're talking about -- over the claims of a Pacneedle fan.

Seeing that you don't address any of the facts you posted and my factual response, I will defer and only address your response.

It's been pretty common knowledge that Dela Hoya had been connected with Travis Tygart since the BALCO experience with Mosley. I don't ever recall reading anything about Pacquiao or even his Team referring to Tygart although they may have.

What does it mean to have Olympic style testing? They do random testing one in-competition (usually immediately following the event) and one out of competition. They specify that the athlete must be available at all times and that he must let them know his whereabouts. They don't do 7 random blood tests in a 8 week period during training. Pacquiao agreed to 3 blood tests and unspecified urine tests. Now you can't look at the Olympic style testing procedures and tell me it is not bias toward Mayweather harassing Pacquiao because he has a phobia about his blood being taken. So stop the BS campain that Pacquiao refused to do testing and just stick with the facts. If you see any claims that are not backed up by fact, then point them out. Oh, so you don't really want the facts! And would rather just stick with innuendo and speculation.

[erik_corrales]

i would also like to add this article

TALKING ROIDS, PAC, SHANE, WITH BALCO’S VICTOR CONTE

let me quote

"That being said, let’s start with the issues that Victor Conte debunked during his appearance. First of all, testing for Human Growth Hormone, HGH, an effective test really doesn’t exist. Floyd Mayweather’s camp has asked for Olympic style drug testing. What Conte is quick to point out is that the Olympic officials have tested over 1,000 athletes in recent years, and NOT a single HGH test has ever come back “positive.” Said Conte during background, “There were countries where an entire team was on Steroids and HGH and passed Olympic style testing. Even though we’re not done, if I was Floyd I’d toss the call for Olympic testing after hearing this."


there you go, straight from the horse's mouth


that being said though, in the end of the article, conte goes on about saying pacquiao should still take the blood test.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes, the head of the US Olympic anti-doping organisation, the man who oversees the testing of over 3000 athletes is biased towards Mayweather. The only evidence of bias you can show is that Manny says they are. If an American athlete refused to let the USADA random test him, said he'd only take scheduled tests at times he agreed to and accused the USADA od being biased he'd be destroyed by the US media overnight. If he continued refusing testing as long as Manny has his career would be over.

As far as the drug testing goes I'm going to go with the heads of the anti-doping organisations -- you know, the people who know what they're talking about -- over the claims of a Pacneedle fan.

Seeing that you don't address any of the facts you posted and my factual response, I will defer and only address your response.

It's been pretty common knowledge that Dela Hoya had been connected with Travis Tygart since the BALCO experience with Mosley. I don't ever recall reading anything about Pacquiao or even his Team referring to Tygart although they may have.

What does it mean to have Olympic style testing? They do random testing one in-competition (usually immediately following the event) and one out of competition. They specify that the athlete must be available at all times and that he must let them know his whereabouts. They don't do 7 random blood tests in a 8 week period during training. Pacquiao agreed to 3 blood tests and unspecified urine tests. Now you can't look at the Olympic style testing procedures and tell me it is not bias toward Mayweather harassing Pacquiao because he has a phobia about his blood being taken. So stop the BS campain that Pacquiao refused to do testing and just stick with the facts. If you see any claims that are not backed up by fact, then point them out. Oh, so you don't really want the facts! And would rather just stick with innuendo and speculation.

I adressed your "facts" by pointing out that you're just dome Pacneedle fan on a messageboard and that the head of Olympic testing in the US has forgotten more about drug testing than you'll ever know.

As for who's dealing in innuendo, exactly what evidence do you have to suggest any "connection" between GBP and USADA? Other than Manny claiming there is I've never heard anything. If it's common knowledge how come I never heard about it before? Where is the evidence of this "common knowledge" you speak of on the internet?