Berto Mosley Off?

[Andre]

Even though the majority of people on this board blame Manny for that fight not coming off, the majority of people polled throughout the country blame Floyd. He would be crucified if he let a fight now with Mosley fall by the wasteside. And it's technically the second biggest fight that can be made in boxing so I don't agree with it being low reward, as Shane is arguably the third most popular fighter behind Floyd and Manny. Not to mention it's virtually Floyd's only chance to upstage Manny-Clottey.

God I hope you are right and its made.

HAve my doubts though, Floyd will probably retire stating "theres no competition left" so as to secure that zero and keep him in the record books next to our hero Spen Okkte .

"Sorry Spen, but Germanys that way ".

[luvfightgame]

Mosley needs to start calling out PBF NOW!!!!!

I agree there is no better fight for PBF than Shane. If he mans up and fights Shane I may finally grow some respect for him, but seems as if he's looking to fight Nate Campbell.

[OumaFan]

Mayweather has to ask for olympic style testing, I mean Mosley is a known user. And Mosley cause of his ties to Golden Boy you would think would have issues not accepting.

Isn't Mayweather with Heymon to?

Anyway, nothing you can say about Berto really, hell of a thing to have to go through.

[killersheep]

Deepest sympathies to Berto in the midst of this crisis. I hope he finds his peace with this soon.

[Spicoli]

Wait Is Mayweather seriously talking about fighting Nate Really ?

Props to Berto for standing for something bigger than dollar.Hope he can rebound and again garner a high profile match when he and family find a semblance of normalcy.Career defining moments can be few and far between and can pass the idle by.

[CFH]

Surely Mayweather will demand that Shane undergo USADA testing, seeing as how he's an admitted steroid user and all.

I don't think Floyd will fight Shane (High risk, low reward) and number 2 there will be no drug test. Al Haymon also represents Andre Berto and he didn't demand any Olympic style drug test against Shane.

How is Shane Mosley, coming off a blow out of who was at the time considered the best welterweight in the world a low reward fighter? Will some people say he was too old? Sure, but some people will say anything in an attempt to discredit a fighter. Aside from Pacquiao, there is no one Floyd could fight who would be a higher reward.

[CFH]

Also, if Mayweather goes ahead and fights Campbell now that Mosley is available, I will have no respect for him as a fighter (as much as I'd like to see Campbell get the payday).

[Gandalf]

I understand Berto not wanting the fight at this point considering all that has happened. I agree with others saying Mayweather/Mosley really should be happening instead. Both fighters are available and ready to fight fairly soon, it needs to happen.

Mayweather can just piss off with this Nate Campbell bullshit.

[generalbulldog]

Surely Mayweather will demand that Shane undergo USADA testing, seeing as how he's an admitted steroid user and all.

I don't think Floyd will fight Shane (High risk, low reward) and number 2 there will be no drug test. Al Haymon also represents Andre Berto and he didn't demand any Olympic style drug test against Shane.

How is Shane Mosley, coming off a blow out of who was at the time considered the best welterweight in the world a low reward fighter? Will some people say he was too old? Sure, but some people will say anything in an attempt to discredit a fighter. Aside from Pacquiao, there is no one Floyd could fight who would be a higher reward.

If Shane beats Floyd, and I'm using the word if here, it takes a lot of shine and momentum off a possible fight with Pacman. Does it still look that interesting for the general public if Floyd loses and he fights Pacman down the line? It's a high risk and monetarily a low reward kind of fight. From a business point of view he would be better off fighting a less dangerous fighter for a tune up and then wait for a showdown with Pacman. The fight will happen later more than likely.

Of course as a fight fan I would like to see the fight, but from a business point of view it's a high risk factor.

[p4pking]

I don't think Floyd will fight Shane (High risk, low reward) and number 2 there will be no drug test. Al Haymon also represents Andre Berto and he didn't demand any Olympic style drug test against Shane.

How is Shane Mosley, coming off a blow out of who was at the time considered the best welterweight in the world a low reward fighter? Will some people say he was too old? Sure, but some people will say anything in an attempt to discredit a fighter. Aside from Pacquiao, there is no one Floyd could fight who would be a higher reward.

If Shane beats Floyd, and I'm using the word if here, it takes a lot of shine and momentum off a possible fight with Pacman. Does it still look that interesting for the general public if Floyd loses and he fights Pacman down the line? It's a high risk and monetarily a low reward kind of fight. From a business point of view he would be better off fighting a less dangerous fighter for a tune up and then wait for a showdown with Pacman. The fight will happen later more than likely.

Of course as a fight fan I would like to see the fight, but from a business point of view it's a high risk factor.

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

[generalbulldog]

How is Shane Mosley, coming off a blow out of who was at the time considered the best welterweight in the world a low reward fighter? Will some people say he was too old? Sure, but some people will say anything in an attempt to discredit a fighter. Aside from Pacquiao, there is no one Floyd could fight who would be a higher reward.

If Shane beats Floyd, and I'm using the word if here, it takes a lot of shine and momentum off a possible fight with Pacman. Does it still look that interesting for the general public if Floyd loses and he fights Pacman down the line? It's a high risk and monetarily a low reward kind of fight. From a business point of view he would be better off fighting a less dangerous fighter for a tune up and then wait for a showdown with Pacman. The fight will happen later more than likely.

Of course as a fight fan I would like to see the fight, but from a business point of view it's a high risk factor.

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

[Myk_Myk]

I think a top fighter has to block out everything and focus on his career...and I mean everything.

Selfish, sure, but I think that kind of sacrifice and even heartlessness is what it takes to be elite.

Pacquiao was preparing for Cotto and they were hit by two typhoons, flooding, landslides, over 300 thousand people left homeless, disease outbreaks like cholera usually follow a disaster like that, and there were over 600 dead.

Actually, Manny going ahead with the Cotto fight brought positive feelings to the beleaguered people.
How is Berto pulling out going to do anybody any good?


Then again, this is boxing: a dirty, dirty sport where people in charge believe that everything in life takes a back seat to money.
Whole damn fight cancellation could actually be just a step-aside deal on the QT to make the Mosely/maywetaher fight happen instead.


I put nothing past the people who run boxing, no matter how underhanded or despicable.


That's a harsh assessment given what's being seen on the news everyday with the scope of the disaster and the unimaginable human suffering going on down there, but it is what it is.

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I think the difference with Berto is that he has lost family, and still has family in trouble there now.

I had wandered what would happen with this story. I had actually entertained the idea that it would really inspire him and give him a real edge.

I hope things work out for him. Good thing is he's young and still has many great things to aspire to.

[CFH]

If Shane beats Floyd, and I'm using the word if here, it takes a lot of shine and momentum off a possible fight with Pacman. Does it still look that interesting for the general public if Floyd loses and he fights Pacman down the line? It's a high risk and monetarily a low reward kind of fight. From a business point of view he would be better off fighting a less dangerous fighter for a tune up and then wait for a showdown with Pacman. The fight will happen later more than likely.

Of course as a fight fan I would like to see the fight, but from a business point of view it's a high risk factor.

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

[CFH]

I think a top fighter has to block out everything and focus on his career...and I mean everything.

Selfish, sure, but I think that kind of sacrifice and even heartlessness is what it takes to be elite.

Pacquiao was preparing for Cotto and they were hit by two typhoons, flooding, landslides, over 300 thousand people left homeless, disease outbreaks like cholera usually follow a disaster like that, and there were over 600 dead.

Actually, Manny going ahead with the Cotto fight brought positive feelings to the beleaguered people.
How is Berto pulling out going to do anybody any good?


Then again, this is boxing: a dirty, dirty sport where people in charge believe that everything in life takes a back seat to money.
Whole damn fight cancellation could actually be just a step-aside deal on the QT to make the Mosely/maywetaher fight happen instead.


I put nothing past the people who run boxing, no matter how underhanded or despicable.


That's a harsh assessment given what's being seen on the news everyday with the scope of the disaster and the unimaginable human suffering going on down there, but it is what it is.

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I think the difference with Berto is that he has lost family, and still has family in trouble there now.

I had wandered what would happen with this story. I had actually entertained the idea that it would really inspire him and give him a real edge.

I hope things work out for him. Good thing is he's young and still has many great things to aspire to.

Exactly. Berto has lost family members and the survivors need his help. There are a great many things more important than boxing (or any other career) and Berto's family situation is one of them. He's doing a very selfless thing and he deserves to be commended for it.

[generalbulldog]

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

He was concerned about the money, why do you think he countered with 14 days? And it has been documented that EPO can clear the system within 3-5 days. But Floyd didn't give a damn, he believes he can still beat Pac, I'm sure he's got people digging through this stuff and consulting with experts that if a guy wanted to dope up within those 2 weeks they could.After reading the Al Bernstein article, it makes sense in that FLoyd wanted to fuk with Manny's head. His team does it's homework and isn't that stupid. They found the proverbial chink and psychological weakness in Manny's armor. It just spiral out of control as Bernstein said, he's much more knowledgeable and has contacts in the fight game than anyone else on this board and knows what's going on. Speaking of which I don't even think Pac is really on something, because if he wanted to really dope up he's got experts that will have him off the drugs during random blood tests, and he can cycle during those 2 weeks of cutoff. More than likely its pride and that Oriental notion of "Not losing face" that they are known for.

So what we have now is people thinking Pac is on something, people thinking Floyd was using an excuse to get out of the fight (as done by the ESPN poll with tens of thousands of votes blaming it on Floyd), pissed off fight fans, and a delayed mega match.