Berto Mosley Off?

[CFH]

If Shane beats Floyd, and I'm using the word if here, it takes a lot of shine and momentum off a possible fight with Pacman. Does it still look that interesting for the general public if Floyd loses and he fights Pacman down the line? It's a high risk and monetarily a low reward kind of fight. From a business point of view he would be better off fighting a less dangerous fighter for a tune up and then wait for a showdown with Pacman. The fight will happen later more than likely.

Of course as a fight fan I would like to see the fight, but from a business point of view it's a high risk factor.

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

[generalbulldog]

If Shane actually beat Floyd, then he would stand to be in just as big a fight with Manny in my eyes... I can't imagine that Mosley wouldn't be the draw that Floyd currently is if he were to pull off that upset.

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

He was concerned about the money, why do you think he countered with 14 days? And it has been documented that EPO can clear the system within 3-5 days. But Floyd didn't give a damn, he believes he can still beat Pac, I'm sure he's got people digging through this stuff and consulting with experts that if a guy wanted to dope up within those 2 weeks they could.After reading the Al Bernstein article, it makes sense in that FLoyd wanted to fuk with Manny's head. His team does it's homework and isn't that stupid. They found the proverbial chink and psychological weakness in Manny's armor. It just spiral out of control as Bernstein said, he's much more knowledgeable and has contacts in the fight game than anyone else on this board and knows what's going on. Speaking of which I don't even think Pac is really on something, because if he wanted to really dope up he's got experts that will have him off the drugs during random blood tests, and he can cycle during those 2 weeks of cutoff. More than likely its pride and that Oriental notion of "Not losing face" that they are known for.

So what we have now is people thinking Pac is on something, people thinking Floyd was using an excuse to get out of the fight (as done by the ESPN poll with tens of thousands of votes blaming it on Floyd), pissed off fight fans, and a delayed mega match.

[CFH]

Exactly. Now think about it, if Shane beats Floyd, it's Shane-Pacman that the public wants to see really bad now, because that aura of invincibility of FLoyd is gone. Floyd would lose upwards of 40-60 million for a Pacman fight if he loses to Shane. Hence why I said high risk, low reward type of fight. Business wise it doesn't make sense to fight Shane at this point. From a boxing point of view, yes it would be a great fight, but monetarily it could cost Floyd tens of millions if Shane pulls an upset.

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

He was concerned about the money, why do you think he countered with 14 days? And it has been documented that EPO can clear the system within 3-5 days. But Floyd didn't give a damn, he believes he can still beat Pac, I'm sure he's got people digging through this stuff and consulting with experts that if a guy wanted to dope up within those 2 weeks they could.After reading the Al Bernstein article, it makes sense in that FLoyd wanted to fuk with Manny's head. His team does it's homework and isn't that stupid. They found the proverbial chink and psychological weakness in Manny's armor. It just spiral out of control as Bernstein said, he's much more knowledgeable and has contacts in the fight game than anyone else on this board and knows what's going on. Speaking of which I don't even think Pac is really on something, because if he wanted to really dope up he's got experts that will have him off the drugs during random blood tests, and he can cycle during those 2 weeks of cutoff. More than likely its pride and that Oriental notion of "Not losing face" that they are known for.

So what we have now is people thinking Pac is on something, people thinking Floyd was using an excuse to get out of the fight (as done by the ESPN poll with tens of thousands of votes blaming it on Floyd), pissed off fight fans, and a delayed mega match.

That doesn't make any sense. Why didn't they agree to the compromise that Pacquiao proposed then? He was already inside Pacquiao's head because of his ludicrous accusations.

I also don't think it had anything to do with stereotyped notions of Asian peoples not wanted to lose face, but rather Pacquiao's own pride. He doesn't need Mayweather for his legacy, nor does he need the money that the fight would bring. He's the biggest star internationally and from what I know he lives relatively modestly for a person of his wealth. Mayweather, at this point, needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needs Mayweather. I'm not sure why he allowed the fight to be scrapped, though I doubt he is scared of Pacquiao, and I hope it somehow gets made in the future, but at this point I doubt it.

[generalbulldog]

I guess I see what you mean there, but if Floyd was so concerned about the money, why didn't he just take the Pacquiao fight then? After all the bullshit surrounding the steroid claims, I can't see either side giving in to the others demands anytime soon. Sad as it is, I think Pac - PBF may be DOA.

He was concerned about the money, why do you think he countered with 14 days? And it has been documented that EPO can clear the system within 3-5 days. But Floyd didn't give a damn, he believes he can still beat Pac, I'm sure he's got people digging through this stuff and consulting with experts that if a guy wanted to dope up within those 2 weeks they could.After reading the Al Bernstein article, it makes sense in that FLoyd wanted to fuk with Manny's head. His team does it's homework and isn't that stupid. They found the proverbial chink and psychological weakness in Manny's armor. It just spiral out of control as Bernstein said, he's much more knowledgeable and has contacts in the fight game than anyone else on this board and knows what's going on. Speaking of which I don't even think Pac is really on something, because if he wanted to really dope up he's got experts that will have him off the drugs during random blood tests, and he can cycle during those 2 weeks of cutoff. More than likely its pride and that Oriental notion of "Not losing face" that they are known for.

So what we have now is people thinking Pac is on something, people thinking Floyd was using an excuse to get out of the fight (as done by the ESPN poll with tens of thousands of votes blaming it on Floyd), pissed off fight fans, and a delayed mega match.

That doesn't make any sense. Why didn't they agree to the compromise that Pacquiao proposed then? He was already inside Pacquiao's head because of his ludicrous accusations.

I also don't think it had anything to do with stereotyped notions of Asian peoples not wanted to lose face, but rather Pacquiao's own pride. He doesn't need Mayweather for his legacy, nor does he need the money that the fight would bring. He's the biggest star internationally and from what I know he lives relatively modestly for a person of his wealth. Mayweather, at this point, needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needs Mayweather. I'm not sure why he allowed the fight to be scrapped, though I doubt he is scared of Pacquiao, and I hope it somehow gets made in the future, but at this point I doubt it.

Why didn't Floyd agree to Pac's demand of 24 days instead? I can only speculate, but we are dealing with 2 egomaniacs here. Maybe Floyd didn't want to look like he's compromising and bending backwards too much. I'm pretty sure you've read a lot of the links here on how in those 2 weeks that one can use undetectable drugs like EPO that could clear within 3-5 days during those 2 weeks of cutoff that Floyd proposed. If Floyd was really concern of the possible use of PEDs by Pacquiao he would stuck fast to random testing all the way through by USADA, but he said 14 days is okay. And as I've said if a guy is determined to used something like EPO that 14 days is a huge window. Floyd isn't stupid he's got experts and advisors on this. The money was that important to him to say "okay 14 days how about that?" instead of the random blood testing all the way through until fight night.