The definitive Mayweather/Pac article

[killersheep]

I have to take issue with the notion that Mayweather didn't want the fight. I think any boxer who doesn't want a fight simply manages not to say anything about it or how he wants to fight some other opponent first. The fact they both entered into negotiations says to me they wanted the fight, but simply couldn't agree to terms. How would Mayweather know that Manny wouldn't agree to testing? And why would he make concessions so far as when testing would occur and who would be conducting it? Floyd could have simply stayed retired or fight any number of people to earn a nice amount of cash if he had no desire to fight Pacquiao.

If the article makes Golden Boy look stupid - well then I think that says more about Golden Boy than it does the author. I mean - they've flip flopped, contradicted themselves, and generally made an arse of things. Now, not to say that Pac is totally blameless here, because I can see he is at fault in areas too. The article is 70 per cent blaming Golden Boy/Maweather and I pretty much agree with that angle.

And, on the issue of Mayweather not being to blame for the cancellation.

One poster has already stated (Zbolt I think)...


Right now this fight could be scheduled under the same rules that all other big fights have been scheduled for, for the last 10 or so years, and all of us fans on this forum have been happy to watch those fights with those rules - but now all of a sudden we're wondering who'd on drugs, who's not on drugs. There is only one man to blame for that.

I think that there are a lot of people on here getting very high and mighty about how Floyd is on a crusade to clean up boxing PED's have been around in boxing for years (RJJ/Toney/Shane) and yet Floyd only thought to ask for Olympic-style drug testing before he fights Manny Pacquiao??

If Floyd really gives a damn about the sport of boxing's honesty and integrity then kudos to Floyd but I don't buy that bullshit at all.

You're right, since PEDs have been used successfully in the past, we should continue to use them. And yes that is what you are saying.

[Greig]

I have to take issue with the notion that Mayweather didn't want the fight. I think any boxer who doesn't want a fight simply manages not to say anything about it or how he wants to fight some other opponent first. The fact they both entered into negotiations says to me they wanted the fight, but simply couldn't agree to terms. How would Mayweather know that Manny wouldn't agree to testing? And why would he make concessions so far as when testing would occur and who would be conducting it? Floyd could have simply stayed retired or fight any number of people to earn a nice amount of cash if he had no desire to fight Pacquiao.

If the article makes Golden Boy look stupid - well then I think that says more about Golden Boy than it does the author. I mean - they've flip flopped, contradicted themselves, and generally made an arse of things. Now, not to say that Pac is totally blameless here, because I can see he is at fault in areas too. The article is 70 per cent blaming Golden Boy/Maweather and I pretty much agree with that angle.

And, on the issue of Mayweather not being to blame for the cancellation.

One poster has already stated (Zbolt I think)...


Right now this fight could be scheduled under the same rules that all other big fights have been scheduled for, for the last 10 or so years, and all of us fans on this forum have been happy to watch those fights with those rules - but now all of a sudden we're wondering who'd on drugs, who's not on drugs. There is only one man to blame for that.

I think that there are a lot of people on here getting very high and mighty about how Floyd is on a crusade to clean up boxing PED's have been around in boxing for years (RJJ/Toney/Shane) and yet Floyd only thought to ask for Olympic-style drug testing before he fights Manny Pacquiao??

If Floyd really gives a damn about the sport of boxing's honesty and integrity then kudos to Floyd but I don't buy that bullshit at all.

You're right, since PEDs have been used successfully in the past, we should continue to use them. And yes that is what you are saying.

No what I'm saying is that PED's have been around boxing for a long time - I just find it interesting that Floyd Mayweather jr all of a sudden wants to singlehandedly clean up the entire sport right before he's about to face a very live, very dangerous opponent.

To be honest, this whole article/issue has really rocked my belief in boxing. I mean, it seems like they are all in on this shit... It's depressing.

So ask yourself this Killersheep - does Floyd Mayweather Jr, really want to make a stand, clean up the sport and rid it of PEDs forever? Or did he see a very live, very dangerous opponent in front of him and think you know what, I'm going to fuck with this guy and see if I can't avoid fighting him?

Now, I see the fight as a pick em anyway - that's how highly I rate Floyd. But I can see how the inference could be drawn from Hauser that Floyd didn't really want the fight and I'm sure you can too.

[killersheep]

If the article makes Golden Boy look stupid - well then I think that says more about Golden Boy than it does the author. I mean - they've flip flopped, contradicted themselves, and generally made an arse of things. Now, not to say that Pac is totally blameless here, because I can see he is at fault in areas too. The article is 70 per cent blaming Golden Boy/Maweather and I pretty much agree with that angle.

And, on the issue of Mayweather not being to blame for the cancellation.

One poster has already stated (Zbolt I think)...


Right now this fight could be scheduled under the same rules that all other big fights have been scheduled for, for the last 10 or so years, and all of us fans on this forum have been happy to watch those fights with those rules - but now all of a sudden we're wondering who'd on drugs, who's not on drugs. There is only one man to blame for that.

I think that there are a lot of people on here getting very high and mighty about how Floyd is on a crusade to clean up boxing PED's have been around in boxing for years (RJJ/Toney/Shane) and yet Floyd only thought to ask for Olympic-style drug testing before he fights Manny Pacquiao??

If Floyd really gives a damn about the sport of boxing's honesty and integrity then kudos to Floyd but I don't buy that bullshit at all.

You're right, since PEDs have been used successfully in the past, we should continue to use them. And yes that is what you are saying.

No what I'm saying is that PED's have been around boxing for a long time - I just find it interesting that Floyd Mayweather jr all of a sudden wants to singlehandedly clean up the entire sport right before he's about to face a very live, very dangerous opponent.

To be honest, this whole article/issue has really rocked my belief in boxing. I mean, it seems like they are all in on this shit... It's depressing.

So ask yourself this Killersheep - does Floyd Mayweather Jr, really want to make a stand, clean up the sport and rid it of PEDs forever? Or did he see a very live, very dangerous opponent in front of him and think you know what, I'm going to fuck with this guy and see if I can't avoid fighting him?

Now, I see the fight as a pick em anyway - that's how highly I rate Floyd. But I can see how the inference could be drawn from Hauser that Floyd didn't really want the fight and I'm sure you can too.

We don't really know who's on shit, because the testing is ineffective.

I don't think Floyd is ducking at all, if he was he could of simply demanded a ridiculous purse split, done and done. At the end of the day Mayweather was still sitting at the table, while Pacquiao and his team signed against Clottey, Pacquiao's team were the ones that the mediator corrected for making false claims, Pacquiao's team were the one's making excuses to not take the tests. If Pacquiao really wanted the fight he could have taken the blood tests with 14 days remaining before the fight to recover (from something that does not need recovery).

What you are implying here is that Mayweather KNEW that Pacquiao would refuse the tests is that correct?

[Greig]

Yeah I think he had a fair idea that Pacquiao wouldn't want to do it, and I think that's why he did it.

The purse split point you make - I agree, but it's easy to see through. Those numbers always come out and the people can see who was being ridiculous.


I think that at the end of the day, Floyd got what he wanted - he doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, and because of the way he went about it only half the world thinks he ducked him, the other half think Pac is on PED's. Whereas the whole world would have knew he ducked him if he had demanded 70 per cent of the pot...

[killersheep]

Yeah I think he had a fair idea that Pacquiao wouldn't want to do it, and I think that's why he did it.

The purse split point you make - I agree, but it's easy to see through. Those numbers always come out and the people can see who was being ridiculous.


I think that at the end of the day, Floyd got what he wanted - he doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, and because of the way he went about it only half the world thinks he ducked him, the other half think Pac is on PED's. Whereas the whole world would have knew he ducked him if he had demanded 70 per cent of the pot...

But you have bias and that's speculation, when has Mayweather EVER started negotiations and not gone through with them? If he's ducking fighters, which admittedly there are some fighters out there he did duck, he simply didn't entertain the offers. Why make this big to-do at all? It would be a waste of money and time.

[zbolt]

Yeah I think he had a fair idea that Pacquiao wouldn't want to do it, and I think that's why he did it.

The purse split point you make - I agree, but it's easy to see through. Those numbers always come out and the people can see who was being ridiculous.


I think that at the end of the day, Floyd got what he wanted - he doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, and because of the way he went about it only half the world thinks he ducked him, the other half think Pac is on PED's. Whereas the whole world would have knew he ducked him if he had demanded 70 per cent of the pot...

But you have bias and that's speculation, when has Mayweather EVER started negotiations and not gone through with them? If he's ducking fighters, which admittedly there are some fighters out there he did duck, he simply didn't entertain the offers. Why make this big to-do at all? It would be a waste of money and time.

coz floyd was forced to entertain the pacquiao fight due to fans/promoters demands

[killersheep]

Yeah I think he had a fair idea that Pacquiao wouldn't want to do it, and I think that's why he did it.

The purse split point you make - I agree, but it's easy to see through. Those numbers always come out and the people can see who was being ridiculous.


I think that at the end of the day, Floyd got what he wanted - he doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, and because of the way he went about it only half the world thinks he ducked him, the other half think Pac is on PED's. Whereas the whole world would have knew he ducked him if he had demanded 70 per cent of the pot...

But you have bias and that's speculation, when has Mayweather EVER started negotiations and not gone through with them? If he's ducking fighters, which admittedly there are some fighters out there he did duck, he simply didn't entertain the offers. Why make this big to-do at all? It would be a waste of money and time.

coz floyd was forced to entertain the pacquiao fight due to fans/promoters demands

To what end? Tell me what Mayweather would gain from that?