Rafael on Margarito's license

[Violent Demise]

Let's say he injured Cotto so bad he never fought again? Or killed him? Boxing is a life and death game.

That kind of thing is permanent.

This prick's ban should be too. He should think himself lucky to be given a cab drivers license.

So, you guys were in favour of a one year ban for Luis Resto??

What the fukk are you talking about? He was punished (and rightly so) for his attempt prior to the Mosley fight. And he served his punishment. Why should he be punished for beating Cotto's ass? There was no cheating involved. Nevada does a better job in monitoring fighters than California. He was also cleared of any wrong doing.

Antonio Margarito cleared of wrongdoing in Miguel Cotto fight - SI.com - Boxing

I respect your opinion if you think he served his punishment. But that SI article clear Margarito of anything. All Kizer said was that you can't prove a negative and he is as certain as he can be Margarito didn't do anything wrong in the Cotto fight. Remember Mosley passed all steroid tests in his fights so is he cleared too? But just being honest. Even if you can get past the fact that he did such a disgusting act. Do you really think Margarito should be given a license to fight even though he still says he did nothing wrong? After doing such a thing doesn't that bother you?

Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.

[Nameless]

LEwis and Resto banned for life. MArgarito only a year? Why? Because he didn't have time to legally bring his illegal weapons to the ring before he get caught? Nonsense. He's as guilty as Resto and Lewis and only one year sentence is a piece of candy for what he committed.
Also, there is a difference between steroids and brass knuckle, steroids (*aims Moseley*) should definitely be punished too but to a lesser degree: Being hit with brass knuckles or with a guy faster and stronger than ordinary? I chose without hesitation the later.

I will never pay anymore for a card with Hands of plaster on it by conviction, no matter if Willie Pep or any other of my favorite would fight as main event.

[Youngblood]

Ban4lyfe.

[Beanflicker]

Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

[Violent Demise]

Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

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Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

That is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.

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Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

No matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.

[TitoFan]

I think he should be banned from boxing, to give a clear message to those who would entertain the same thoughts, but what do I know?

Hell...... me, I'll just watch reruns of the Margarito-Mosley fight whenever I need something to cheer me up.

[Violent Demise]

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

That is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.

I'm starting to wonder if you actually saw the fight. Or if you have seen them fight previously. Margarito broke Cotto's nose in the 2nd round. That and the constant pressure Margarito applied are what led to Cotto being broken down. Why is that so hard to accept? Yes Cotto was taking Margarito to school in the first half. But Margarito has always been a slow starter. It was only a matter of time before he got started.

There is no proof Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight. It's stupidity to even bring it up. I mean come on. When does common sense kick in? If Margarito indeed had loaded gloves do you seriously think Cotto would be able to take 267 punches? Hell no! 267 punches is a lot of punches without loaded gloves. With loaded gloves it's insane. There is no way possible he takes even 150 from the naturally bigger man if the gloves were loaded

Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.

Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.

You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

No matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.

That makes no muthafukkin sense. Rather he used them or not he still used them? What the fukk?

[Nameless]

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

That is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.

I'm starting to wonder if you actually saw the fight. Or if you have seen them fight previously. Margarito broke Cotto's nose in the 2nd round. That and the constant pressure Margarito applied are what led to Cotto being broken down. Why is that so hard to accept? Yes Cotto was taking Margarito to school in the first half. But Margarito has always been a slow starter. It was only a matter of time before he got started.

There is no proof Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight. It's stupidity to even bring it up. I mean come on. When does common sense kick in? If Margarito indeed had loaded gloves do you seriously think Cotto would be able to take 267 punches? Hell no! 267 punches is a lot of punches without loaded gloves. With loaded gloves it's insane. There is no way possible he takes even 150 from the naturally bigger man if the gloves were loaded

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

No matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.

That makes no muthafukkin sense. Rather he used them or not he still used them? What the fukk?

Yes it makes sense: We are not 100% sure he had it against Cotto though the doubts are legitimates. However, he had the intention to use it against Mosley.

[stebs]

Perception is everything, he is going into a fight with Mosley with loaded gloves who in the past was beaten by Cotto, the same Cotto that he just knocked out so why was his gloves loaded against Mosley. It is a fact they were loaded for the Mosley fight so it's easy to ASSUME they were when he fought Cotto.


I don't think he should be licensed, he was caught cheating red handed in a combat sport which could be deadly without the cheating. He could become a Spanish speaking announcer in Mexico but in the U.S. they shouldn't let him or his trainer have anything to do in boxing.

[Beanflicker]

That makes no muthafukkin sense. Rather he used them or not he still used them? What the fukk?

Once again man, work on your reading comprehension.

And the way in which Margacheato beat Cotto would greatly benefit from loaded gloves. Like you say, Cotto was doing good but wilted under the punishment Margarito dished out on him. So there is a HUGE questionmark there as to whether or not Cotto would have been able to withstand Margacheato's blows had he not loaded them. Margacheato landed a ton of powershots, but most were after Cotto was wore down. So whether you like it or not, that fight is always going to have a huge question mark by it. And I think most people know the truth about it.

[Beanflicker]

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

Work on your reading comprehension dude. I never said he won because he cheated, all I said was that there is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed cheat.

Loaded gloves or not, Margacheato is going to give Cotto problems any day of the week.

[Violent Demise]

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

Work on your reading comprehension dude. I never said he won because he cheated, all I said was that there is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed cheat.

Loaded gloves or not, Margacheato is going to give Cotto problems any day of the week.

I wasn't aware you were present during the wrapping of hands. You should of notified some one about the loaded wraps. Seriously saying Margarito cheated cuz he beat a fighter he wasn't suppose to beat is pretty moronic. You have no facts to back up your opinion.

[Lance Uppercut]

So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?

237 "concrete" loaded power punches. WHo knows what would have happened had Margarito not cheated(an unless you are completely nieve, he did cheat) I am sure getting slugged with plaster hands had some effect on Cotto's strategy and ability to absorb his punches.

Margarito committed an unforgivable sin. Look what he did to both Cintron and Cotto's careers prior to him finally getting caught.

This kind of cheating is dangerous and deserves a life time ban.