What does being undefeated really mean these days?

[Fenster]

If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.

Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.

Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?

[Master]

If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.

Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.

Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?

He was retired during that time and p4p is subjective, has he fought any dangerous welters in the time he has been there?

[Fenster]

If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.

Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.

Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?

He was retired during that time and p4p is subjective, has he fought any dangerous welters in the time he has been there?

Yes P4P is subjective but it's also a leading argument used by hardcore boxing fans, "experts" and fighters themselves. You can't ignore the fact that "experts" ranked him top 10 P4P before he even fought at welterweight.

Since then he's beaten Zab, Baldomir (to become lineal champion), Oscar, Hatton and Marquez.

Were there a couple of other dangerous guys he could have fought? I guess Cotto, Mosley and Margarito? Problem is, they all beat eachother up and NONE were worth the money Oscar and Hatton were.

[rjj tszyu]

To me..... Nothing.
Problem is fighters do seem to lose some marketability when they get beat!!

[killersheep]

If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.

Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.

Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?

You know that statement was just for effect.

[Fenster]

If Floyd retired now he'd have one of the best undefeated records in history.

Undefeated records mainly concern prospects/novice champions. It's rare for a fighter to retire unbeaten and be considered a great.

Nobody considers Ottke a great (or unbeaten).. Floyd is a proven great whether he faces Mosley/Pac or not. Even if you try to pick holes in his resume, the man has been top 10 P4P ranked for ten years. How can a fighter be considered one of the very best in the world for such a time without being a great?

You know that statement was just for effect.

Ottke was good to highlight my point though.