Pac having blood taken 20 days before the Clottey fight..

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Clottey has pulled a "chickenshit" as you put it 11 times at Welterweight. What is Clottey's penalty for missing weight?

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

It matters because you're implying that Clottey pulled a "chickenshit" on his opponent 11 times. Are you trying to tell us that both Clottey and his opponent did not make weight 11 times? Or were they fighting at Super Welterweight?

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

[JJson]

intheneutralcorner

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

There is a certain level of vacuity that inundate much of the analysis of the MP PBF issue. Floyd Maweather's decision to pay a fine rather than risk going into a fight in weaken state because of weight loss is quite consistent with the condition of random drug testing he demanded from Manny. PBF wants to leave the profession with a clean bill of health mentally and physically. Unfortunately for his reputation, the boxing fan base, in its postulations, tend to reflect a the condition of the very loss of the acuity he is trying like hell to avoid. In this context they skirt the obvious and sound rational behind his decisions, because, for them, they are inconsistent with their visceral desires. Boyoboy, Jack Johnson would have loved this crowd.

Floyd Mayweather took accountabilty for not making weight. He paid up and did not make any excuses. Like you said, he never intended to make that weight. You did not then proceed to the next logical step and examine why. You display this same kind of convenient abortion in your thought processes when examining MP position. It is sophopmoric, (and I am using a euphemism here), to continue with the crap that MP refused the condition because PBF asked for it. He refused because random drug testing would have exposed his use of PEDs. Simple

You are presenting suppositions in defense of MP refusal to undergo random drug testing, and to paint PBF as the villian. It is silly, I am sorry. The fight ended because MP refused to undergo random drug testing. Presenting a treatise based on PBF not making an agreed upon weight limit and paying a penalty cannot obfuscate that reality.

Floyd Mayweather is not in the class of Mohammed on an activism and spiritual level, but in many ways their basic personalities are the same. They both exhibit a brashness and confidence that brings out visceral hate in some, who then become devoid of logic and commonsense in their reasonings. Someone asked Ali once how many people he expected would be coming to a fight to see him win. He said he did not know, but what he knew was that a significant number would be coming to see him get beat. Or words to that effect anyway.

If I was PBF I would retire after beating Mosely and never fight again. That would be the sweetest revenge he could have on his haters. They would develop reflux and maybe ulcers from disappointment and frustration over missing out on the vicarious thrill of seeing get beat down. And they would be deserving of the burning bile that is symptomatic of the consequence of such an emotional let down.

[killersheep]

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

It matters because you're implying that Clottey pulled a "chickenshit" on his opponent 11 times. Are you trying to tell us that both Clottey and his opponent did not make weight 11 times? Or were they fighting at Super Welterweight?

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

I would have no problem with that. Mayweather would have no problem with that either, afterall he did agree to give up $10,000,000 per pound, something he wouldn't agree to had he intended to not make weight. This is an endless circle these points have been made a million times in dozens of threads, we are never going to agree on this, so not much point in continuing this debate.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

It matters because you're implying that Clottey pulled a "chickenshit" on his opponent 11 times. Are you trying to tell us that both Clottey and his opponent did not make weight 11 times? Or were they fighting at Super Welterweight?

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

I would have no problem with that. Mayweather would have no problem with that either, afterall he did agree to give up $10,000,000 per pound, something he wouldn't agree to had he intended to not make weight. This is an endless circle these points have been made a million times in dozens of threads, we are never going to agree on this, so not much point in continuing this debate.

Didn't you already say that you did not mean to get sucked back in this? Oh yeah, I also said that I rest my case.

So, what the heck are we still doing in this thread?

[Majesty]

if Pacquiao's name was Floyd Mayweather his reputation would be destroyed and he would probably never be able to come back on it with the media on him 24/7 with questions and millions of sportswriters saying bad about him.

Know why?

Cause Pacquiao = money to them and is easily sold as the good guy, he could do whatever he wants to and it would only maybe appear in small news, you wouldn't see it on ESPN or anything at all.

But Mayweather makes a statement and its on ESPN and they bash him for anything he says.

How much news have you heard about the Cotto situation?

Little to none, except one article.

Boxing never attacks their good guys.. until AFTER retirement when they are no longer profitable inside the ring. If Mayweather J-walked across the street you'd hear about it. But Pacquiao and his camp have been a rolling ball of contradictions as has his promoter Bob Arum, but nobody is saying anything the only place you see it is on here or a boxing site, but its never covered by big news. And you know all these "analysts" and everything see the same articles we do, and they COULD say something about it.. but they don't, its saddening how there are no more boxing writers, they are just a bunch of forum goers trying to put a spin on their own story under a professional name.

Sportswriters are the biggest "trolls" on the internet nowadays, and its saddening how we are forum goers in some of the things we say and find out do more and print more then they ever do and they know twice as much as it's their job to. Saddening to see one boxer favored so much and getting a pass on it and the fighter who exposed him get flack for it.

[djcione]

if Pacquiao's name was Floyd Mayweather his reputation would be destroyed and he would probably never be able to come back on it with the media on him 24/7 with questions and millions of sportswriters saying bad about him.

Know why?

Cause Pacquiao = money to them and is easily sold as the good guy, he could do whatever he wants to and it would only maybe appear in small news, you wouldn't see it on ESPN or anything at all.

But Mayweather makes a statement and its on ESPN and they bash him for anything he says.

How much news have you heard about the Cotto situation?

Little to none, except one article.

Boxing never attacks their good guys.. until AFTER retirement when they are no longer profitable inside the ring. If Mayweather J-walked across the street you'd hear about it. But Pacquiao and his camp have been a rolling ball of contradictions as has his promoter Bob Arum, but nobody is saying anything the only place you see it is on here or a boxing site, but its never covered by big news. And you know all these "analysts" and everything see the same articles we do, and they COULD say something about it.. but they don't, its saddening how there are no more boxing writers, they are just a bunch of forum goers trying to put a spin on their own story under a professional name.

Sportswriters are the biggest "trolls" on the internet nowadays, and its saddening how we are forum goers in some of the things we say and find out do more and print more then they ever do and they know twice as much as it's their job to. Saddening to see one boxer favored so much and getting a pass on it and the fighter who exposed him get flack for it.

Lots of good issues you brought up. Before Manny, it was Oscar who could do nothing wrong in the eyes of most of the media. The "good guys" in boxing are rarely attacked because many writers are on their payroll.

And I agree about the fact that there are no more boxing writers these days. When you think of boxing writers over the years, some great names come to mind. My favorite was probably Liebling, but there were so many others: like Ring Lardner, , Jimmy Cannon, Paul Gallico, W.C. Heinz, Harry Mullan, Red Smith, Jack Fiske-the list is endless.

The last good one, in my opinion, was Michael Katz; he said whatever he wanted, no one owned him I loved his fearless attitude. He's still writing for a Vegas gambling journal called "Gaming Today," where his role is handicapping fights.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

if Pacquiao's name was Floyd Mayweather his reputation would be destroyed and he would probably never be able to come back on it with the media on him 24/7 with questions and millions of sportswriters saying bad about him.

Know why?

Cause Pacquiao = money to them and is easily sold as the good guy, he could do whatever he wants to and it would only maybe appear in small news, you wouldn't see it on ESPN or anything at all.

But Mayweather makes a statement and its on ESPN and they bash him for anything he says.

How much news have you heard about the Cotto situation?

Little to none, except one article.

Boxing never attacks their good guys.. until AFTER retirement when they are no longer profitable inside the ring. If Mayweather J-walked across the street you'd hear about it. But Pacquiao and his camp have been a rolling ball of contradictions as has his promoter Bob Arum, but nobody is saying anything the only place you see it is on here or a boxing site, but its never covered by big news. And you know all these "analysts" and everything see the same articles we do, and they COULD say something about it.. but they don't, its saddening how there are no more boxing writers, they are just a bunch of forum goers trying to put a spin on their own story under a professional name.

Sportswriters are the biggest "trolls" on the internet nowadays, and its saddening how we are forum goers in some of the things we say and find out do more and print more then they ever do and they know twice as much as it's their job to. Saddening to see one boxer favored so much and getting a pass on it and the fighter who exposed him get flack for it.

It has nothing to do with the name but with the personality behind the name.

Mayweather has projected himself as a villian and he has been good at that. It helps sell fights. A significant number of spectators that come to watch his fights come there hoping to watch him get beaten up. So you are correct in that regards. If Floyd did what Manny did, his reputation may be destroyed. His enemies will be out for his blood.

People suffer from the consequences of their previous actions. This is a brutal world that we live in and life isn't always fair.

[Majesty]

if Pacquiao's name was Floyd Mayweather his reputation would be destroyed and he would probably never be able to come back on it with the media on him 24/7 with questions and millions of sportswriters saying bad about him.

Know why?

Cause Pacquiao = money to them and is easily sold as the good guy, he could do whatever he wants to and it would only maybe appear in small news, you wouldn't see it on ESPN or anything at all.

But Mayweather makes a statement and its on ESPN and they bash him for anything he says.

How much news have you heard about the Cotto situation?

Little to none, except one article.

Boxing never attacks their good guys.. until AFTER retirement when they are no longer profitable inside the ring. If Mayweather J-walked across the street you'd hear about it. But Pacquiao and his camp have been a rolling ball of contradictions as has his promoter Bob Arum, but nobody is saying anything the only place you see it is on here or a boxing site, but its never covered by big news. And you know all these "analysts" and everything see the same articles we do, and they COULD say something about it.. but they don't, its saddening how there are no more boxing writers, they are just a bunch of forum goers trying to put a spin on their own story under a professional name.

Sportswriters are the biggest "trolls" on the internet nowadays, and its saddening how we are forum goers in some of the things we say and find out do more and print more then they ever do and they know twice as much as it's their job to. Saddening to see one boxer favored so much and getting a pass on it and the fighter who exposed him get flack for it.

It has nothing to do with the name but with the personality behind the name.

Mayweather has projected himself as a villian and he has been good at that. It helps sell fights. A significant number of spectators that come to watch his fights come there hoping to watch him get beaten up. So you are correct in that regards. If Floyd did what Manny did, his reputation may be destroyed. His enemies will be out for his blood.

People suffer from the consequences of their previous actions. This is a brutal world that we live in and life isn't always fair.

yeah but here's the problem, if we look at everything Pacquiao is getting away with and we just accept it because "hey the sportswriters don't like the other guy and don't want to make him right" then we're staring at a bigger problem in the sport of boxing in general. The sport of boxing is known for shooting itself in the foot, but if not just it or the writers who do stories for boxing turn a blind eye to it, then they have no shot.

Boxing is in an era now where they are trying to differentiate between themselves and MMA, and while the boxing enthusiasts look at it like human cock fighting tell me whats worse. A sport that some people are trying to play off as barbaric, or a sport that caters to their good guys which they hype and build up as such that they can get away with millions of contradictions and is very very biased.

See wrestling used to get flack for showing favoritism to their stars that were on steroids and not suspending them properly, and when that whole incident happened and blew up it was a major blow to their credibility.

Boxing can't afford to suffer that kind of scandal because they "don't want to be wrong" on a situation, they let this slide and there's no telling what kind of slope and path it goes down after this which would only ruin boxing's reputation which hasn't exactly been good either. This is beyond just hyping a fight and keeping the bad guy bad, this is letting a guy slide because you have favoritism for it. If boxing lets this slide, it's going to suffer majorly in the long run. The last thing they should be concerned about is just keeping ties on it cause they 'dont like mayweather' because long after Mayweather is retired, this scandal will still be fresh, and when it's exposed boxing will have a lot more to worry about. And there's only itself to blame.