Pac having blood taken 20 days before the Clottey fight..

[Gandalf]

What a load of bullshit, sorry I have been in Pac's corner for this for most part, but this takes the piss, he has blatantly LIED.

He and his team proclaimed that he needed 24 days minimum to recover from a blood test or it would weaken him, now he has his blood taken 20 days prior to his fight with Clottey.

Who gives a fuck about ego's?? This is the biggest fight in the last 20 years or so, end of the day Pac made his own rules up with the weight issue and the compensation if weight wasn't made, and Floyd wanted random drug testing. Now Pac came back with a compromise which I thought was fair enough and some of the excuses was him feeling weak etc etc so soon to the fight, but this has just shown him up big time.

Exactly, Manny is full of shit.

He's making a song and dance, "ooh look at me I am being tested 20 days out see!". It means nothing, testing needs to be random or nothing. Seems like a bullshit PR move to me, but we can all see through it. He won't fight Mayweather because of random testing, so being checked 20 days out against Clottey has little relevance.

Anyone making excuses for Manny is deluded IMO, all this talk of ego and not being dictated to are really lame excuses, as were the excuses about being afraid of blood tests. Manny's stock has fallen horribly and I just have to laugh when I hear the guy mentioned in threads like this because it is all so pathetic and lame.

Miles, I keep hearing you say Manny has come out looking bad and his stock has fallen but I really don't see that.

Everywhere you turn, you see Manny being given the bye and Floyd being blamed for not wanting the fight/being too big for his boots with his demands/being a pussy etc etc.

Youtube (lowest common denominator, I know) is the best example but even my casual boxing friends all think Floyd pussied the fight. I'm shocked that Manny has come out of this smelling of roses and people are willing to let him off the hook for refusing to prove he's a clean athlete and, perhaps even more importantly, create the biggest fight in boxing history for the fans.

Interesting. I find it hard to fathom how any informed person could argue that Manny doesn't at the very least look extremely suspicious. I suppose there are too many huggers out there with no critical thinking skills and a lot of others who simply haven't followed the issue as closely as we have.

It is certainly by my reckoning that he has fallen. I'm sure on some poll I started that the vast majority of voters thought Manny should take the tests, so I am sure most of those people are of the same thinking. I would argue that the consensus here at Saddo's is that Manny looks like a dodgy, fight ducking punk, but as for how it is out there on You Tube, I really don't know. You are a brave man, going out there into the ghetto!

I might start a thread about "Manny's reputation" to see what people are really thinking on here.

[Themantonio]

This really shows that Pac never wanted the fight with Floyd. I hope it will happen, but i highly doubt it.

NO IT DOESN'T?!? It means Pac was happy to prove himself clean, just not on Myaweather's terms...

[djcione]

It's the media which has really been a major factor in rallying behind Pacman along with Mayweather being an easy guy to despise.

You can also add in a very vocal Filipino fan base who have finally seen a fighter emerge from the shadows of the past. i always felt that most, if not all, Filipino fighters were poorly trained, and were victims of corrupt managers who threw their fighters away for a quick buck. Manny's the first one in our time that escaped that awful fate. Thank Freddie for helping on that end also.

[killersheep]

This really shows that Pac never wanted the fight with Floyd. I hope it will happen, but i highly doubt it.

NO IT DOESN'T?!? It means Pac was happy to prove himself clean, just not on Myaweather's terms...

That is a ridiculous argument even if it is true. Furthermore, it is not what Pacquiao's team claimed was the reason.

[Nameless]

This really shows that Pac never wanted the fight with Floyd. I hope it will happen, but i highly doubt it.

NO IT DOESN'T?!? It means Pac was happy to prove himself clean, just not on Myaweather's terms...

in Pedsland 20 days is 2 times the eternity to juice yourself and to clean it afterward, if he would be really clean he could easily take some 10 days prior to the fight, especially as blood won't weakened for such small drops.

[panthro]

This really shows that Pac never wanted the fight with Floyd. I hope it will happen, but i highly doubt it.

NO IT DOESN'T?!? It means Pac was happy to prove himself clean, just not on Myaweather's terms...

in Pedsland 20 days is 2 times the eternity to juice yourself and to clean it afterward, if he would be really clean he could easily take some 10 days prior to the fight, especially as blood won't weakened for such small drops.

exactly! the testing he did for Clotty doesn't prove one way or the other. RANDOM! that is the magic word for today's PEDs. and the fact he was doing everything he could to avoid it is....well...very suspicious.

In my opinion is is on something, regardless i have lost respect for him. and anyone who isn't at least somewhat suspicious of the fact that he has turned down 40 mill not take drug tests is suspect themselves of being a nutthugger.

[Chino]

In my opinion is is on something, regardless i have lost respect for him. and anyone who isn't at least somewhat suspicious of the fact that he has turned down 40 mill not take drug tests is suspect themselves of being a nutthugger

I guess he values his legacy and all the Phillipines behind him so much to turn down 40 mills instead of embarrass himself, his legay, and his country if he was caught using any kind of PED, steroids, drugs, etc. with random tests. So now what happens? He looks for an easy fight where nobody asks him for random tests and hints a retirement. Imagine if he was asked for randomd tests years ago, he would have probably done the same.

[killersheep]

NO IT DOESN'T?!? It means Pac was happy to prove himself clean, just not on Myaweather's terms...

in Pedsland 20 days is 2 times the eternity to juice yourself and to clean it afterward, if he would be really clean he could easily take some 10 days prior to the fight, especially as blood won't weakened for such small drops.

exactly! the testing he did for Clotty doesn't prove one way or the other. RANDOM! that is the magic word for today's PEDs. and the fact he was doing everything he could to avoid it is....well...very suspicious.

In my opinion is is on something, regardless i have lost respect for him. and anyone who isn't at least somewhat suspicious of the fact that he has turned down 40 mill not take drug tests is suspect themselves of being a nutthugger.

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[15rounder]

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WTF??

Pac has blood taken 20 days out which also says it tests for PED'S?? But won't 14 days out?? Pac stated that he wanted a 24 day cut off or the blood test makes him weak hahaha but has one 20 days out before his next fight, now I have supported Pac in recent times over this Floyd fight but this is a joke.

It was asked or required by a sports commission or governing body. Surely Pacman will submit himself to that. Why not, its the commission asking for it. Not just a thug wanting to impose his smart ass tactics before the fight.

Some thug?? So what about Pac demanding ten million for every pound Floyd comes in over 147?? That aint the commission asking for it. Pac is a joke.

Pac did that because he saw the chickenshit that Floyd pulled in his previous fight. AKA, Floyd had a recent record of doing it. Manny has no history of failing drug tests. That's why so many people are putting this on Floyd. I don't know what's going through manny's head. I don't know why he didn't take the test. Not taking a side here, just responding to this post

[killersheep]

It was asked or required by a sports commission or governing body. Surely Pacman will submit himself to that. Why not, its the commission asking for it. Not just a thug wanting to impose his smart ass tactics before the fight.

Some thug?? So what about Pac demanding ten million for every pound Floyd comes in over 147?? That aint the commission asking for it. Pac is a joke.

Pac did that because he saw the chickenshit that Floyd pulled in his previous fight. AKA, Floyd had a recent record of doing it. Manny has no history of failing drug tests. That's why so many people are putting this on Floyd. I don't know what's going through manny's head. I don't know why he didn't take the test. Not taking a side here, just responding to this post

Clottey has pulled a "chickenshit" as you put it 11 times at Welterweight. What is Clottey's penalty for missing weight?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Some thug?? So what about Pac demanding ten million for every pound Floyd comes in over 147?? That aint the commission asking for it. Pac is a joke.

Pac did that because he saw the chickenshit that Floyd pulled in his previous fight. AKA, Floyd had a recent record of doing it. Manny has no history of failing drug tests. That's why so many people are putting this on Floyd. I don't know what's going through manny's head. I don't know why he didn't take the test. Not taking a side here, just responding to this post

Clottey has pulled a "chickenshit" as you put it 11 times at Welterweight. What is Clottey's penalty for missing weight?

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

[killersheep]

Pac did that because he saw the chickenshit that Floyd pulled in his previous fight. AKA, Floyd had a recent record of doing it. Manny has no history of failing drug tests. That's why so many people are putting this on Floyd. I don't know what's going through manny's head. I don't know why he didn't take the test. Not taking a side here, just responding to this post

Clottey has pulled a "chickenshit" as you put it 11 times at Welterweight. What is Clottey's penalty for missing weight?

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Clottey has pulled a "chickenshit" as you put it 11 times at Welterweight. What is Clottey's penalty for missing weight?

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

It matters because you're implying that Clottey pulled a "chickenshit" on his opponent 11 times. Are you trying to tell us that both Clottey and his opponent did not make weight 11 times? Or were they fighting at Super Welterweight?

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

[JJson]

intheneutralcorner

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

There is a certain level of vacuity that inundate much of the analysis of the MP PBF issue. Floyd Maweather's decision to pay a fine rather than risk going into a fight in weaken state because of weight loss is quite consistent with the condition of random drug testing he demanded from Manny. PBF wants to leave the profession with a clean bill of health mentally and physically. Unfortunately for his reputation, the boxing fan base, in its postulations, tend to reflect a the condition of the very loss of the acuity he is trying like hell to avoid. In this context they skirt the obvious and sound rational behind his decisions, because, for them, they are inconsistent with their visceral desires. Boyoboy, Jack Johnson would have loved this crowd.

Floyd Mayweather took accountabilty for not making weight. He paid up and did not make any excuses. Like you said, he never intended to make that weight. You did not then proceed to the next logical step and examine why. You display this same kind of convenient abortion in your thought processes when examining MP position. It is sophopmoric, (and I am using a euphemism here), to continue with the crap that MP refused the condition because PBF asked for it. He refused because random drug testing would have exposed his use of PEDs. Simple

You are presenting suppositions in defense of MP refusal to undergo random drug testing, and to paint PBF as the villian. It is silly, I am sorry. The fight ended because MP refused to undergo random drug testing. Presenting a treatise based on PBF not making an agreed upon weight limit and paying a penalty cannot obfuscate that reality.

Floyd Mayweather is not in the class of Mohammed on an activism and spiritual level, but in many ways their basic personalities are the same. They both exhibit a brashness and confidence that brings out visceral hate in some, who then become devoid of logic and commonsense in their reasonings. Someone asked Ali once how many people he expected would be coming to a fight to see him win. He said he did not know, but what he knew was that a significant number would be coming to see him get beat. Or words to that effect anyway.

If I was PBF I would retire after beating Mosely and never fight again. That would be the sweetest revenge he could have on his haters. They would develop reflux and maybe ulcers from disappointment and frustration over missing out on the vicarious thrill of seeing get beat down. And they would be deserving of the burning bile that is symptomatic of the consequence of such an emotional let down.

[killersheep]

I have responded to this allegation about Clottey missing the 147 mark 11 times in another thread. There had been no succeeding comments after my post.

Here's the link: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...clottey-2.html

Why does it matter if his opponents made weight or not? That doesn't change the fact that he DIDN'T make weight 11 times. Clottey is a big welter it's just a matter of time until he CAN'T make weight. This is a much more real risk and would be a much bigger advantage to Clottey than it ever would to Mayweather. Furthermore Mayweather missed weight ONE time at a catchweight 147 Mayweather - 144 JMM there are two examples as you pointed out that Clottey has done this, both times his opponents at welterweight.

It matters because you're implying that Clottey pulled a "chickenshit" on his opponent 11 times. Are you trying to tell us that both Clottey and his opponent did not make weight 11 times? Or were they fighting at Super Welterweight?

But the way Mayweather missed the weight gave a lot of people the impression that he did not even intend to make that weight. If he intend to remain within the weight agreement in the Pacquiao fight (and it would not be a hardship on his part since he made it in his last fight), then the $ 10,000,000 demand would not even be an issue. The other option that Team Pacquiao could have asked is for the fight to be cancelled if either of them missed weight which had happened in the Corrales-Castillo III. Would you rather have that stipulation?

I would have no problem with that. Mayweather would have no problem with that either, afterall he did agree to give up $10,000,000 per pound, something he wouldn't agree to had he intended to not make weight. This is an endless circle these points have been made a million times in dozens of threads, we are never going to agree on this, so not much point in continuing this debate.