Pacquiao talking bollox....

[The Promoter]

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

[Nameless]

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

IF you really think that it takes up to a month before stuff clear off your body by these days, you're 20 years obsolete in your knowledge on the topic.

[The Promoter]

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

[killersheep]

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

superstitious of what?

[The Promoter]

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

superstitious of what?

Right or wrong a lot of people think having any sort of blood taken weakens them...I have some old relatives from Europe who come up with even more bizzare shit than this...Not saying right or wrong just saying he's superstitious and has offered other (just as valid) alternatives to taking blood...Why is Floyd so insistent on having blood drawn?...Boxing News 24 has a pretty good read on Manny's superstition...

Of Superstition & Old Wives’ Tales: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

[CFH]

[cleveland steamer]

The drug test was just a smokescreen PERIOD. A duck. Floyd never wanted the fight. Within the first two weeks or so of the "negotiations" 2 people affiliated with Golden Boy (Bernard Hopkins) and Mayweather (George Peterson) spoke out and pretty much said that the fight wasnt going to happen. Why do you ask? Why would Floyd not want to make 25-40 million dollars? Because he knew(after watching Pac/Cotto) that he had a very real chance at losing, so he was protecting his "moneymaker" which would be his severely overrated "0". Because once the "0" is gone then what else would he have to sell? Because he surely cant sell his ability to entertain and excite people in the ring thats for damn sure. Step back and look at the big picture instead of bickering over "he said this" or "he said that" bullshit.

[killersheep]

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

superstitious of what?

Right or wrong a lot of people think having any sort of blood taken weakens them...I have some old relatives from Europe who come up with even more bizzare shit than this...Not saying right or wrong just saying he's superstitious and has offered other (just as valid) alternatives to taking blood...Why is Floyd so insistent on having blood drawn?...Boxing News 24 has a pretty good read on Manny's superstition...

Of Superstition & Old Wives’ Tales: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

I really don't care about Pacquiao's feelings or superstitions. He's taken blood tests before, he took one for this fight with Clottey with no issue, and then less than a week later this video comes out with him saying he felt the blood test would give Mayweather an advantage because he's bigger, of course Clottey is going to weigh 15-20 pounds more than Mayweather would have. But none of this matters. You aren't going to convince me of your view and I'm certainly not going to convince you of my views. The fact is that these views have been presented at great length in thousands of posts, in dozens of threads. Not really any point in duscussing it further. The fight isn't going to happen and that's fine there's a whole line up of great fights coming up that I don't have to listen to two diva's whining about conspiracies and superstitions. I don't take either fighters side anymore, they're both divas. Screw them and screw doing damage control, it's not worth it. We have Berto/Quintana, Cunningham/Godfrey, Latimore/Powell II, Arreola/Adamek, Maidana/Cayo, Guzman/Funeka II, Caballero/Yordan, Pavlik/Martinez, Angulo/Julio, Ortiz/Campbell, Pascal/Dawson, The Super Six fights, Vazquez/Marquez IV, Perez/Mares, Macklin/Ghevor, and hopefully Hasegawa/Montiel. All of those fights are great, they're all coming up soon, you don't have to pay for PPV and you don't have to pull up any tabloid internet articles to justify why they aren't fighting each other, they're just going to fight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Don't we have a Pacquiao/ Mayweather board for this sort of drool

[Nameless]

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

I did, and if YOU did it well, he explained that it could be cleared within 5 days and still have effects, hence why the boxing instance should change their system. Today, blood draws are necessary to have the full combo test, every olympians are doing so and for a reason: because it's where the best steroids are, by these days, found and mostly developed. The "needle" thing and superstition are just an empty excuses, Manny can lose blood while getting tattooed but not via a blood draw? are you laughing at me or what? only urine isn't enough to detect everything, all the biggest specialists agree on it, We've copied tons of sources here before on that matter, is that so hard to understand or what?

[The Promoter]

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

I did, and if YOU did it well, he explained that it could be cleared within 5 days and still have effects, hence why the boxing instance should change their system. Today, blood draws are necessary to have the full combo test, every olympians are doing so and for a reason: because it's where the best steroids are, by these days, found and mostly developed. The "needle" thing and superstition are just an empty excuses, Manny can lose blood while getting tattooed but not via a blood draw? are you laughing at me or what? only urine isn't enough to detect everything, all the biggest specialists agree on it, We've copied tons of sources here before on that matter, is that so hard to understand or what?

Those PED's he's describing are not Steroids, go to ANY gym find the biggest guys and ask if ANY steroid will have benefits within 5 days...It's ridiculous that you would even suggest that. Olympians are tested for everything randomly from asthma inhalers, cold syrups, blood doping, legal and illegal narcotics, blood comparison testing and even excess caffeine...You really don't know enough about drug testing, again research:

Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Which could be performed on Urine, Hair and even Spit with the same accuracy as blood tests for steroids...Again we are talking about blood test up to a month before, Urine, hair,Spit, whatever for the month preceding and a blood test immediately following...This would still be the MOST thorough testing EVER conducting for a boxing event in history!

[Kirkland Laing]

he knows Manny is superstitious.

That's an old excuse, it's no longer operative. That was the excuse after he's scared of needles and before he gets weakened by blood tests. Right now he didn't take the test because of some Phillipino pride thing that you wouldn't understand because you're not Phillipino.

[The Promoter]

he knows Manny is superstitious.

That's an old excuse, it's no longer operative. That was the excuse after he's scared of needles and before he gets weakened by blood tests. Right now he didn't take the test because of some Phillipino pride thing that you wouldn't understand because you're not Phillipino.

Okay, so we'll take an exercise based on your premise. Let's say Manny is dirty, why would he agree to blood test up to 30 days before, urine tests up to fight time and then another blood test immediately following? Makes no sense. Why would Manny agree to anything beyond what is mandated by the boxing authorities/athletic commissions?

Why should Floyd Mayweather dictate the terms of drug testing or anything for that matter? Even if you don't buy that Manny could be superstitious why should he let PBF dictate the terms of anything? Manny has agreed to the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing and that's not good enough for Floyd so screw it...Manny has earned the title of ATG and doesn't need to do anything that PBF tells him to.

Or maybe pbf's intentions all along were to push Manny's button's enough to prevent a fight, giving PBF an out while and saving his undefeated record?

[Althugz]

he knows Manny is superstitious.

That's an old excuse, it's no longer operative. That was the excuse after he's scared of needles and before he gets weakened by blood tests. Right now he didn't take the test because of some Phillipino pride thing that you wouldn't understand because you're not Phillipino.

Okay, so we'll take an exercise based on your premise. Let's say Manny is dirty, why would he agree to blood test up to 30 days before, urine tests up to fight time and then another blood test immediately following? Makes no sense. Why would Manny agree to anything beyond what is mandated by the boxing authorities/athletic commissions?

Why should Floyd Mayweather dictate the terms of drug testing or anything for that matter? Even if you don't buy that Manny could be superstitious why should he let PBF dictate the terms of anything? Manny has agreed to the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing and that's not good enough for Floyd so screw it...Manny has earned the title of ATG and doesn't need to do anything that PBF tells him to.

Or maybe pbf's intentions all along were to push Manny's button's enough to prevent a fight, giving PBF an out while and saving his undefeated record?

Lol you had none with me anyway, but any credibility you may have had just went right there

[The Promoter]

That's an old excuse, it's no longer operative. That was the excuse after he's scared of needles and before he gets weakened by blood tests. Right now he didn't take the test because of some Phillipino pride thing that you wouldn't understand because you're not Phillipino.

Okay, so we'll take an exercise based on your premise. Let's say Manny is dirty, why would he agree to blood test up to 30 days before, urine tests up to fight time and then another blood test immediately following? Makes no sense. Why would Manny agree to anything beyond what is mandated by the boxing authorities/athletic commissions?

Why should Floyd Mayweather dictate the terms of drug testing or anything for that matter? Even if you don't buy that Manny could be superstitious why should he let PBF dictate the terms of anything? Manny has agreed to the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing and that's not good enough for Floyd so screw it...Manny has earned the title of ATG and doesn't need to do anything that PBF tells him to.

Or maybe pbf's intentions all along were to push Manny's button's enough to prevent a fight, giving PBF an out while and saving his undefeated record?

Lol you had none with me anyway, but any credibility you may have had just went right there

Fortunately, I'll still be able to sleep at night, even though I live for your approval...LMAO