Rewatched Cotto vs Pac

[miron_lang]

This thread was fine until somebody replied to that dude Ross.

and now everybody jumped on the guy who replied and been accused of derailing the thread. LOL

[miron_lang]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

[Snakey]

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

Mate I believe my response was to both of you hence why both of you were in the quote.

[miron_lang]

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

Mate I believe my response was to both of you hence why both of you were in the quote.

I see. sorry about that mate. It's nice to see threads like this once in a while. the one free from 'Drug testing protocol debate'.

[Althugz]

Yeah I too thought it was a pick-em fight up until the 2nd knockdown. You could see in Cotto's face that he was visibly stunned by that one! The first knockdown was more being caught off balance and didn't dent his confidence as much as the second one did.

I agree with the person who said he was afraid to get hit after that so he was just in retreat mode. It was a shockingly good display by Pac.

I wonder how the fight might have panned out had Pac not landed that big uppercut for the 2nd knockdown? I think we might have seen a different fight, bit more competitive but Pac still winning IMO.

Clottey doesn't stand a chance - I'm happy for him getting a payday though. A good, honest, hard worker.

[KananKrus]

Post fight interview of Pacquiao by Larry Merchant revealed that he bluffed Miguel into thinking that he was not affected by any of Cotto's power at all. Then admitted that it actually did.... bigtime.

Pacquiao just showed that he knew, that for anyone to win in a mega fight, you need not only control the physical aspect of it, but likewise the psychological and emotional aspects of it as well.

In the Cotto's corner after the fourth, it was all too evident in Miguel's look of anguish, that he realized he was receiving the short end in most of the exchanges. He might have reached a maximum in his belief that the fight on hand was an even one, and felt the first signs of just going into a survival mode instead of fighting a way to win.

All too naturally his emotions went downhill as a result, and so too did his ability to compete physically, (not knowing that he was likewise hurting Pac by large... had he just known!).

Maybe a seed of doubt grew, stemming from Miguel's realization that his fight preparations loomed inferior and inappropriate against the opposition's, and magnified more with the magnitude of the fight on hand.

By then it was too late for any second-guessing!

If for anything at all, this should serve Miguel well in future fight preparations. Like what an enduring multi-titled champion always maintain... "train hard, the fight is easy".

[Snakey]

Post fight interview of Pacquiao by Larry Merchant revealed that he bluffed Miguel into thinking that he was not affected by any of Cotto's power at all. Then admitted that it actually did.... bigtime.

Pacquiao just showed that he knew, that for anyone to win in a mega fight, you need not only control the physical aspect of it, but likewise the psychological and emotional aspects of it as well.

In the Cotto's corner after the fourth, it was all too evident in Miguel's look of anguish, that he realized he was receiving the short end in most of the exchanges. He might have reached a maximum in his belief that the fight on hand was an even one, and felt the first signs of just going into a survival mode instead of fighting a way to win.

All too naturally his emotions went downhill as a result, and so too did his ability to compete physically, (not knowing that he was likewise hurting Pac by large... had he just known!).

Maybe a seed of doubt grew, stemming from Miguel's realization that his fight preparations loomed inferior and inappropriate against the opposition's, and magnified more with the magnitude of the fight on hand.

By then it was too late for any second-guessing!

If for anything at all, this should serve Miguel well in future fight preparations. Like what an enduring multi-titled champion always maintain... "train hard, the fight is easy".

I dont think it would of made a difference if he knew he was hurting pac coz I dont think he had the game plan to keep attacking. Pac adjusted after the first few rounds and was now into his groove where throws and moves constantly and Cotto was getting tired.

[JazMerkin]

I never saw this as a pick 'em while it happened. I think I gave Cotto the 10th round, I never really felt he was a threat to Pac. Part of this may have been that I was drunk & had spent the whole night telling my friend that Pacquiao was going to have Cotto up (he was picking Cotto & conversely saw the opposite with the first 2 rounds to Cotto). Miguel is a hell of a fighter, but he's always been a sucker for the uppercut & always looked in danger against southpaws so I saw this as a nice victory for Pac.

That's not to take away from Manny, it still takes a hell of a lot to have the discipline to beat up a bigger man & a guy as good as Cotto like he did, but I just felt it was always going to happen. Plus Cotto really didn't show Manny the respect he deserved & just like Hatton I got the impression he thought he could walk through it.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never saw this as a pick 'em while it happened. I think I gave Cotto the 10th round, I never really felt he was a threat to Pac. Part of this may have been that I was drunk & had spent the whole night telling my friend that Pacquiao was going to have Cotto up (he was picking Cotto & conversely saw the opposite with the first 2 rounds to Cotto). Miguel is a hell of a fighter, but he's always been a sucker for the uppercut & always looked in danger against southpaws so I saw this as a nice victory for Pac.

That's not to take away from Manny, it still takes a hell of a lot to have the discipline to beat up a bigger man & a guy as good as Cotto like he did, but I just felt it was always going to happen. Plus Cotto really didn't show Manny the respect he deserved & just like Hatton I got the impression he thought he could walk through it.

See theres your problem merkin, if you specialise fights to get drunk on your probably not gonna be able to call it accurately. If however you get wasted whenever and whatever fight is on then eventually it is possible to call a fight pissed

Apart from the knockdown i had cotto a round or two up going through 5-6 but from then on in it was all pacquiao and going into that last round he was a good 4-5rounds up. It was without doubt the greatest of all the pacquiao performances mainly because of who he did it to, the weight he did it at and how he went about slowly but surely tearing through cottos defence

[JazMerkin]

I never saw this as a pick 'em while it happened. I think I gave Cotto the 10th round, I never really felt he was a threat to Pac. Part of this may have been that I was drunk & had spent the whole night telling my friend that Pacquiao was going to have Cotto up (he was picking Cotto & conversely saw the opposite with the first 2 rounds to Cotto). Miguel is a hell of a fighter, but he's always been a sucker for the uppercut & always looked in danger against southpaws so I saw this as a nice victory for Pac.

That's not to take away from Manny, it still takes a hell of a lot to have the discipline to beat up a bigger man & a guy as good as Cotto like he did, but I just felt it was always going to happen. Plus Cotto really didn't show Manny the respect he deserved & just like Hatton I got the impression he thought he could walk through it.

See theres your problem merkin, if you specialise fights to get drunk on your probably not gonna be able to call it accurately. If however you get wasted whenever and whatever fight is on then eventually it is possible to call a fight pissed

Apart from the knockdown i had cotto a round or two up going through 5-6 but from then on in it was all pacquiao and going into that last round he was a good 4-5rounds up. It was without doubt the greatest of all the pacquiao performances mainly because of who he did it to, the weight he did it at and how he went about slowly but surely tearing through cottos defence

I'm afraid I'm simply not on your level when it comes to boozing Hammer. It's a once in a blue moon thing for me and whilst I'm sure it would eventually improve my ability to call fights pissed, it probably wouldn't help my training regimen

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't like I didn't think the rounds were close, but I had Pac just edging the first 2, & whilst I felt Cotto 'won' the 3rd, because of the KD it was 10-9 round for Pac. Then from there through to 10 all Pac, Cotto boxed nicely in that round before Pac took over again. I've watched it again since (sober) & had largely the same conclusion although maybe that's because I now know the result and see what Pac is doing with the result in the back of my mind.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never saw this as a pick 'em while it happened. I think I gave Cotto the 10th round, I never really felt he was a threat to Pac. Part of this may have been that I was drunk & had spent the whole night telling my friend that Pacquiao was going to have Cotto up (he was picking Cotto & conversely saw the opposite with the first 2 rounds to Cotto). Miguel is a hell of a fighter, but he's always been a sucker for the uppercut & always looked in danger against southpaws so I saw this as a nice victory for Pac.

That's not to take away from Manny, it still takes a hell of a lot to have the discipline to beat up a bigger man & a guy as good as Cotto like he did, but I just felt it was always going to happen. Plus Cotto really didn't show Manny the respect he deserved & just like Hatton I got the impression he thought he could walk through it.

See theres your problem merkin, if you specialise fights to get drunk on your probably not gonna be able to call it accurately. If however you get wasted whenever and whatever fight is on then eventually it is possible to call a fight pissed

Apart from the knockdown i had cotto a round or two up going through 5-6 but from then on in it was all pacquiao and going into that last round he was a good 4-5rounds up. It was without doubt the greatest of all the pacquiao performances mainly because of who he did it to, the weight he did it at and how he went about slowly but surely tearing through cottos defence

I'm afraid I'm simply not on your level when it comes to boozing Hammer. It's a once in a blue moon thing for me and whilst I'm sure it would eventually improve my ability to call fights pissed, it probably wouldn't help my training regimen

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't like I didn't think the rounds were close, but I had Pac just edging the first 2, & whilst I felt Cotto 'won' the 3rd, because of the KD it was 10-9 round for Pac. Then from there through to 10 all Pac, Cotto boxed nicely in that round before Pac took over again. I've watched it again since (sober) & had largely the same conclusion although maybe that's because I now know the result and see what Pac is doing with the result in the back of my mind.

i definitely had cott 2 up going into that 3rd and it was only from 3 that the fight seemed to change direction. The moment pac started to land big it was hatton deja-vu all over again and but for cottos talent he was simply unable to keep them out.

Cotto is far better on the back foot than hatton can ever dream to be hence the reason it went as long as it did but it was definitely as dominant if anything more rounded than the hatton win.