Margarito returns May 8 in Mexico

[p4pking]

And yeah... I've kept my nickname the same all these years. So what? I've posted critical posts on Tito, just like I've done with Cotto and all other local fighters. You obviously have only read the ones where I'm disagreeing with somebody, and have gotten sarcastic. So you stick you nose where it doesn't belong, and you call me names. I've been around quite a while, and if you'd bother to read most of my posts, you'll note that I write about a variety of subjects. So piece of advice. Next time, get the whole story straight before you start calling people "trolls". Capiche?

I admitted it may be the case that I only happen to stumble across your crap posts, I only said it "seems" you are a troll, because it does. But sure man, you've been around a while, I didn't realize, my bad. I'll save my vitriol for those who don't post so much as clearly they wouldn't have a clue about anything.

[TitoFan]

And yeah... I've kept my nickname the same all these years. So what? I've posted critical posts on Tito, just like I've done with Cotto and all other local fighters. You obviously have only read the ones where I'm disagreeing with somebody, and have gotten sarcastic. So you stick you nose where it doesn't belong, and you call me names. I've been around quite a while, and if you'd bother to read most of my posts, you'll note that I write about a variety of subjects. So piece of advice. Next time, get the whole story straight before you start calling people "trolls". Capiche?

I admitted it may be the case that I only happen to stumble across your crap posts, I only said it "seems" you are a troll, because it does. But sure man, you've been around a while, I didn't realize, my bad. I'll save my vitriol for those who don't post so much as clearly they wouldn't have a clue about anything.

Good use of sarcasm there, p4p.

[ElTerribleMorales]

And yeah... I've kept my nickname the same all these years. So what? I've posted critical posts on Tito, just like I've done with Cotto and all other local fighters. You obviously have only read the ones where I'm disagreeing with somebody, and have gotten sarcastic. So you stick you nose where it doesn't belong, and you call me names. I've been around quite a while, and if you'd bother to read most of my posts, you'll note that I write about a variety of subjects. So piece of advice. Next time, get the whole story straight before you start calling people "trolls". Capiche?

I admitted it may be the case that I only happen to stumble across your crap posts, I only said it "seems" you are a troll, because it does. But sure man, you've been around a while, I didn't realize, my bad. I'll save my vitriol for those who don't post so much as clearly they wouldn't have a clue about anything.

Good use of sarcasm there, p4p.

come on guys, can't we all just get along?!?

oh yea and, FUCK MARGARITO!

[TitoFan]

I admitted it may be the case that I only happen to stumble across your crap posts, I only said it "seems" you are a troll, because it does. But sure man, you've been around a while, I didn't realize, my bad. I'll save my vitriol for those who don't post so much as clearly they wouldn't have a clue about anything.

Good use of sarcasm there, p4p.

come on guys, can't we all just get along?!?

oh yea and, FUCK MARGARITO!

I second and third that motion!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Well I never thought Tony was that good in the first place...but I'm certainly not going to overturn all of his fights because NAZ caught him BEFORE he was able to cheat. And Despite what everybody wants to believe there was no proof that he cheated against cotto. I've watched that fight several times and the concrete wasn't in his head or chin that allowed him to walk through cotto's punches all night breaking his will. I can't remember which poster it was on this forum that said after seeing how cotto ran from mosley at the end of the fight that there was no way cotto was going to beat Margarito which turned out to be just that. Even after that fight Kenny Bayless and Cotto are seen holding margarito by his hand wraps and if they were hard like plaster i'm pretty sure they would have noticed. Point is he was caught before hand.

[TitoFan]

Well I never thought Tony was that good in the first place...but I'm certainly not going to overturn all of his fights because NAZ caught him BEFORE he was able to cheat. And Despite what everybody wants to believe there was no proof that he cheated against cotto. I've watched that fight several times and the concrete wasn't in his head or chin that allowed him to walk through cotto's punches all night breaking his will. I can't remember which poster it was on this forum that said after seeing how cotto ran from mosley at the end of the fight that there was no way cotto was going to beat Margarito which turned out to be just that. Even after that fight Kenny Bayless and Cotto are seen holding margarito by his hand wraps and if they were hard like plaster i'm pretty sure they would have noticed. Point is he was caught before hand.

You make some good points. It can't be absolutely proven that Margarito had plaster in his gloves against Cotto. And he did walk through Cotto's best shots.

But here's the thing:

1. If he was caught cheating against Mosley, it's got to at least cast a reasonable doubt against his previous fights, including Cotto's.

2. When he did connect on Cotto, the damage was devastating and immediate to Cotto's face. He broke his nose, and swelled him up something fierce. Cotto had been in wars before, and never ended up like that. It's only natural to be suspicious of Margarito, given the facts that surfaced later on in his fight vs. Mosley.

On the other hand, I always wondered how Margarito was able to walk through Cotto's punches, and then went down so easily against Mosley. But I think the answer lies in how the punches were being thrown. Cotto connected well, but his punches were thrown off his back foot. He rarely put his whole body into them as Mosley did. Also, Margarito did a good job of sort of rolling with Cotto's punches, deadening some of the impact.

It was a bad night for me, as a Cotto fan. But I was jumping with joy when Mosley took Margarito apart.

[Beanflicker]

Margarito should be banned for life, plain and simple. I'm not niave enough to think it will happen, however, because boxing is a slimy sport that goes out of its way to accomodate scumbags, as long as said scumbag can draw a buck or two.

The big argument is "well, other guys have cheated before with PEDs (Mosley, Toney, pacman? ect), and there were guys who committed disgusting intentional fouls (Tyson, Golota, ect), and these guys are all free to box, how is what Marg did worse than what they did?"

While I think using PEDs and biting a guys ear should obviously be punished, what Margarito did (or tried to do) was much worse. I think there is a clear distinction to be made between cheating like fouling and PEDs, and actually bringing a WEAPON into the ring. Which is exactly what Margarito did. He brought an inanimate object into the ring to be used as a weapon.

Its a sad fact that steroids are a part of sports. You're not going to get rid of them, and as much as you guys hate to admit it, your favorite fighters are more than likely using some PEDs. And in boxing, people will do bad things in the heat of the moment. Holyfield was headbutting Tyson, so Tyson bit his ear. Ugly incident, no doubt.

But to actually bring a weapon into the ring to use on your opponent, that is absolutely unforgivable. And to see the ramifications this can have, one only needs to look up the Resto/Panama Lewis case. I mean come on, boxing is a corrupt sport, but what Margarito did is even too slimey for boxing.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Well I never thought Tony was that good in the first place...but I'm certainly not going to overturn all of his fights because NAZ caught him BEFORE he was able to cheat. And Despite what everybody wants to believe there was no proof that he cheated against cotto. I've watched that fight several times and the concrete wasn't in his head or chin that allowed him to walk through cotto's punches all night breaking his will. I can't remember which poster it was on this forum that said after seeing how cotto ran from mosley at the end of the fight that there was no way cotto was going to beat Margarito which turned out to be just that. Even after that fight Kenny Bayless and Cotto are seen holding margarito by his hand wraps and if they were hard like plaster i'm pretty sure they would have noticed. Point is he was caught before hand.

You make some good points. It can't be absolutely proven that Margarito had plaster in his gloves against Cotto. And he did walk through Cotto's best shots.

But here's the thing:

1. If he was caught cheating against Mosley, it's got to at least cast a reasonable doubt against his previous fights, including Cotto's.

2. When he did connect on Cotto, the damage was devastating and immediate to Cotto's face. He broke his nose, and swelled him up something fierce. Cotto had been in wars before, and never ended up like that. It's only natural to be suspicious of Margarito, given the facts that surfaced later on in his fight vs. Mosley.

On the other hand, I always wondered how Margarito was able to walk through Cotto's punches, and then went down so easily against Mosley. But I think the answer lies in how the punches were being thrown. Cotto connected well, but his punches were thrown off his back foot. He rarely put his whole body into them as Mosley did. Also, Margarito did a good job of sort of rolling with Cotto's punches, deadening some of the impact.

It was a bad night for me, as a Cotto fan. But I was jumping with joy when Mosley took Margarito apart.

The first part is simple, he landed some heavy shots on cotto plus cotto cuts and bleeds easy. Look at the judah and pac fights. Even feather puncher Paulie gave him noticeable swelling.

Secondly, man if you call what happened with mosley, going down easily then i'd hate to see what you think going down with a fight is....I mean mosley was hammering him with the over hands all night he hit with at least 70 flush over hand rights not to mention he was banging him to the body. NOBODY at 147 could have lasted 9 rounds taking those shots even if they were from Malignaggi and he's probably the softest puncher p4p in the sport.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Margarito should be banned for life, plain and simple. I'm not niave enough to think it will happen, however, because boxing is a slimy sport that goes out of its way to accomodate scumbags, as long as said scumbag can draw a buck or two.

The big argument is "well, other guys have cheated before with PEDs (Mosley, Toney, pacman? ect), and there were guys who committed disgusting intentional fouls (Tyson, Golota, ect), and these guys are all free to box, how is what Marg did worse than what they did?"

While I think using PEDs and biting a guys ear should obviously be punished, what Margarito did (or tried to do) was much worse. I think there is a clear distinction to be made between cheating like fouling and PEDs, and actually bringing a WEAPON into the ring. Which is exactly what Margarito did. He brought an inanimate object into the ring to be used as a weapon.

Its a sad fact that steroids are a part of sports. You're not going to get rid of them, and as much as you guys hate to admit it, your favorite fighters are more than likely using some PEDs. And in boxing, people will do bad things in the heat of the moment. Holyfield was headbutting Tyson, so Tyson bit his ear. Ugly incident, no doubt.

But to actually bring a weapon into the ring to use on your opponent, that is absolutely unforgivable. And to see the ramifications this can have, one only needs to look up the Resto/Panama Lewis case. I mean come on, boxing is a corrupt sport, but what Margarito did is even too slimey for boxing.

He didnt bring it into the ring, Naz caught him in the dressing room.