Arizona loves it's guns

**Gandalf** · 04-07-2010 11:50 AM

The gun culture thing is something that I have never understood and to expand it by allowing drinkers in bars to carry a gun around is to me the height of lunacy. Drunk people are not rational and will likely the lose the plot at some point. To have a gun where only fists were before is going to lead to death instead of black eyes. It isn't the Wild West anymore, so it's a shame that the obsession with guns hasn't really evolved into anything more progressive and peaceful.

**Nameless** · 04-07-2010 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by miles

The gun culture thing is something that I have never understood and to expand it by allowing drinkers in bars to carry a gun around is to me the height of lunacy. Drunk people are not rational and will likely the lose the plot at some point. To have a gun where only fists were before is going to lead to death instead of black eyes. It isn't the Wild West anymore, so it's a shame that the obsession with guns hasn't really evolved into anything more progressive and peaceful.

I quite agree, the US case is interesting because of the 2st Amendment, which at the time it has been written was more referring to white weapons such as knifes, bayonets etc as it were what peoples dominantly had. The Us was also wilder with the evil "Indians" and the real dangers of wilderness. Now, except in perhaps a few very rare places, Wilderness and Indians aren't a danger anymore and guns are neither what it used to be at all....
Personally, I would be all for a limitation of the caliber, bullets in loaders, ban of full automatic guns, prohibition to bear these in any public places and to have a full registry of who has what in order to control the whole process and avoid things like these gun fairs where peoples just can buy things without having to register nowhere neither show I.D if you look over 16.

**Kirkland Laing** · 04-07-2010 05:02 PM

I think carrying a weapon should be compulsory. I think every American should have the ability to return fire in their everyday lives. Plus studies show that gun ownership helps moderate and end disputes effectively and quickly so a brief confrontation and it's on to the next class or whatever.

**killersheep** · 04-07-2010 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I think carrying a weapon should be compulsory. I think every American should have the ability to return fire in their everyday lives. Plus studies show that gun ownership helps moderate and end disputes effectively and quickly so a brief confrontation and it's on to the next class or whatever.

It's a dangerous culture though. Admittedly most of those that commit the most heinous crimes with firearms obtain said arms illegally, but by this standard they no longer have to go through the hassle of doing so. Someone has a gun hanging out of their pants at a bar is pretty easily accessible to anyone that walks by, it just seems irresponsible to allow firearms in an environment where lack of discretion is encouraged and substances that curtail good judgement are imbibed.

**Julius Rain** · 04-08-2010 07:27 AM

is a glock 18 legal in arizona?

**Master** · 04-08-2010 10:40 AM

I feel a hell of a lot safer in the UK than when I went to LA because if someone cut you in the car, at the back of your mind was that if you retaliate they would shoot you on the spot.