Arizona loves it's guns

[killersheep]

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It is now legal in Arizona to bring guns into public parks (national parks) with a concealed carry permit (to get a concealed carry permit you need to pay someone to give you a class.) A second law passed that states firearms that are 100% manufactured in Arizona are exempt from registration or any federal restriction (the 2-3 week back ground check). The next law that is being worked on is to get rid of the concealed carry permit and make it a right for anyone to carry a concealed firearm. Last year, Arizona legislature made it legal to have concealed firearms in bars with a concealed carry permit.

So I know some of you will love this (Lyle) and some of you will be adamently opposed to it (miles). I'd be interested to hear all your opinions on this.

[CFH]

As a foreigner it I something I just don't understand. I'm sure if I was an American/Arizonian I would feel differently, but it just seems crazy to me. I guess it all comes down to the environment in which you are raised...

[killersheep]

As a foreigner it I something I just don't understand. I'm sure if I was an American/Arizonian I would feel differently, but it just seems crazy to me. I guess it all comes down to the environment in which you are raised...

I was born here and I still don't understand why you would make untraceable firearms legal in bars especially if they are concealed.

[amat]

I will comment later, some of it seems to defy common sense except the national parks one. I definitely take the conservative approach on guns. I think if everyone had guns that we'd be less prone and victim to guns. There are tens of thousands of people, literally, with illegal firearms in Oakland. That's 10 minutes up the freeway, those guys are getting caught up with their guns no matter what. It would suck to have to worry about losing your legitimate right to own a gun because the law doesn't allow it when the thing is to protect yourself from those to whom the law doesn't even matter. Now, not tracing firearms sounds dumb.

[amat]

I'm also for tightening the rules on who can own guns, it's ridiculous how many people obtain guns for the wrong eason. If we can have people take 20 minutes of time to drive around with someone in a car to see if they're fit to drive, we can take 10 minutes to make sure everything is right. I know it's our right to have guns but you should be forced to submit to a background check and medical records. Just because someone may not have an incident on their record doesn't mean they haven't had mental illnesses. The only state I know did it for sure is Wisconsin because I had to cite it in a research paper. It's a good idea.

[Nameless]

It's way too loose and I could never feel safe walking the streets knowing everybody has a gun, including all drunktards in every bars/cafe around.

[amat]

It's way too loose and I could never feel safe walking the streets knowing everybody has a gun, including all drunktards in every bars/cafe around.

I think it's safe to say if you have to carry a gun in a bar then you probably just shouldn't be in a bar. That's kind of an appeal for common sense. However, that's an exception to my gun views. I would never register democrat even though I lean left on a lot of things because of the panzy way San Franciscans view guns.

[Nameless]

It's way too loose and I could never feel safe walking the streets knowing everybody has a gun, including all drunktards in every bars/cafe around.

I think it's safe to say if you have to carry a gun in a bar then you probably just shouldn't be in a bar. That's kind of an appeal for common sense. However, that's an exception to my gun views. I would never register democrat even though I lean left on a lot of things because of the panzy way San Franciscans view guns.

If I would ask to sums up in a nutshell your views on gun, what it is? (and it has nothing to do with the republican/democrats thing), I am just curious because in Canada the overall view is quite different from the US in General, especially from the provinces located on the coasts.

[Gandalf]

The gun culture thing is something that I have never understood and to expand it by allowing drinkers in bars to carry a gun around is to me the height of lunacy. Drunk people are not rational and will likely the lose the plot at some point. To have a gun where only fists were before is going to lead to death instead of black eyes. It isn't the Wild West anymore, so it's a shame that the obsession with guns hasn't really evolved into anything more progressive and peaceful.

[Nameless]

The gun culture thing is something that I have never understood and to expand it by allowing drinkers in bars to carry a gun around is to me the height of lunacy. Drunk people are not rational and will likely the lose the plot at some point. To have a gun where only fists were before is going to lead to death instead of black eyes. It isn't the Wild West anymore, so it's a shame that the obsession with guns hasn't really evolved into anything more progressive and peaceful.

I quite agree, the US case is interesting because of the 2st Amendment, which at the time it has been written was more referring to white weapons such as knifes, bayonets etc as it were what peoples dominantly had. The Us was also wilder with the evil "Indians" and the real dangers of wilderness. Now, except in perhaps a few very rare places, Wilderness and Indians aren't a danger anymore and guns are neither what it used to be at all....
Personally, I would be all for a limitation of the caliber, bullets in loaders, ban of full automatic guns, prohibition to bear these in any public places and to have a full registry of who has what in order to control the whole process and avoid things like these gun fairs where peoples just can buy things without having to register nowhere neither show I.D if you look over 16.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think carrying a weapon should be compulsory. I think every American should have the ability to return fire in their everyday lives. Plus studies show that gun ownership helps moderate and end disputes effectively and quickly so a brief confrontation and it's on to the next class or whatever.

[killersheep]

I think carrying a weapon should be compulsory. I think every American should have the ability to return fire in their everyday lives. Plus studies show that gun ownership helps moderate and end disputes effectively and quickly so a brief confrontation and it's on to the next class or whatever.

It's a dangerous culture though. Admittedly most of those that commit the most heinous crimes with firearms obtain said arms illegally, but by this standard they no longer have to go through the hassle of doing so. Someone has a gun hanging out of their pants at a bar is pretty easily accessible to anyone that walks by, it just seems irresponsible to allow firearms in an environment where lack of discretion is encouraged and substances that curtail good judgement are imbibed.

[Julius Rain]

is a glock 18 legal in arizona?

[Master]

I feel a hell of a lot safer in the UK than when I went to LA because if someone cut you in the car, at the back of your mind was that if you retaliate they would shoot you on the spot.

[killersheep]

is a glock 18 legal in arizona?

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