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    Default Re: When a boxer is found to have fought dishonestly..

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    The way I see it if a fighter has lets say 34 wins and gets caught cheating in win 34 than yeah win 34 goes to a no-contest. But that's it. In order for the other 33 to get change to no contests I need to see 33 different proofs of him cheating. I ain't assuming shiit.
    Agreed....Who is to say these past wins were not legit....What about fights where he had his gloves off and was wearing nothing but hand wraps while still in the ring after the fights during interviews etc where it is obvious nothing is wrong with the wraps?....Then what about the guys that lost to him fair? What are the ratings to be adjusted somehow because they dropped spots or missed title opps because of the loss? Should they be given new rankings based on then?....

    Too many factors involved and can't punish a man for crimes he did not commit....

    Forget money ethics are more important

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    Default Re: When a boxer is found to have fought dishonestly..

    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    The way I see it if a fighter has lets say 34 wins and gets caught cheating in win 34 than yeah win 34 goes to a no-contest. But that's it. In order for the other 33 to get change to no contests I need to see 33 different proofs of him cheating. I ain't assuming shiit.
    Agreed....Who is to say these past wins were not legit....What about fights where he had his gloves off and was wearing nothing but hand wraps while still in the ring after the fights during interviews etc where it is obvious nothing is wrong with the wraps?....Then what about the guys that lost to him fair? What are the ratings to be adjusted somehow because they dropped spots or missed title opps because of the loss? Should they be given new rankings based on then?....

    Too many factors involved and can't punish a man for crimes he did not commit....

    Forget money ethics are more important
    I do agree that there are too many things you can't prove so therefore there is nothing that can be done. But even if he did take his gloves off and you could see his handwraps that isn't going to prove anything. The plaster was in his handwraps not on top of them. You'd have to feel for it. Remember, they weren't no slouch with this way of cheating. The Commission even inspected one handwrap and it got approved. Richardson felt around for anything suspicious, felt something hard, and that is why he caught it. I've seen how handwraps are inpected and most of the time they just rub the wraps and pat your knuckles. The eye test would never catch plaster inside your handwraps.

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    Default Re: When a boxer is found to have fought dishonestly..

    Quote Originally Posted by blegit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    The way I see it if a fighter has lets say 34 wins and gets caught cheating in win 34 than yeah win 34 goes to a no-contest. But that's it. In order for the other 33 to get change to no contests I need to see 33 different proofs of him cheating. I ain't assuming shiit.
    Agreed....Who is to say these past wins were not legit....What about fights where he had his gloves off and was wearing nothing but hand wraps while still in the ring after the fights during interviews etc where it is obvious nothing is wrong with the wraps?....Then what about the guys that lost to him fair? What are the ratings to be adjusted somehow because they dropped spots or missed title opps because of the loss? Should they be given new rankings based on then?....

    Too many factors involved and can't punish a man for crimes he did not commit....

    Forget money ethics are more important
    I do agree that there are too many things you can't prove so therefore there is nothing that can be done. But even if he did take his gloves off and you could see his handwraps that isn't going to prove anything. The plaster was in his handwraps not on top of them. You'd have to feel for it. Remember, they weren't no slouch with this way of cheating. The Commission even inspected one handwrap and it got approved. Richardson felt around for anything suspicious, felt something hard, and that is why he caught it. I've seen how handwraps are inpected and most of the time they just rub the wraps and pat your knuckles. The eye test would never catch plaster inside your handwraps.

    Have you ever seen handwraps that have had substance in them like plaster etc...After 8, 10, 12 rds they don't look like regular handwraps...Contrary to popular belief the plaster does not get hard....The constriction of the gloves and sweat from the hands doesw not allow it to form hard...It is the weight of the wraps that cause the damage...Like rolled up coins the your hand....

    You can tell by looking that something is wrong...The wraps sag and are mis formed on the hand

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    Default Re: When a boxer is found to have fought dishonestly..

    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blegit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post

    Agreed....Who is to say these past wins were not legit....What about fights where he had his gloves off and was wearing nothing but hand wraps while still in the ring after the fights during interviews etc where it is obvious nothing is wrong with the wraps?....Then what about the guys that lost to him fair? What are the ratings to be adjusted somehow because they dropped spots or missed title opps because of the loss? Should they be given new rankings based on then?....

    Too many factors involved and can't punish a man for crimes he did not commit....

    Forget money ethics are more important
    I do agree that there are too many things you can't prove so therefore there is nothing that can be done. But even if he did take his gloves off and you could see his handwraps that isn't going to prove anything. The plaster was in his handwraps not on top of them. You'd have to feel for it. Remember, they weren't no slouch with this way of cheating. The Commission even inspected one handwrap and it got approved. Richardson felt around for anything suspicious, felt something hard, and that is why he caught it. I've seen how handwraps are inpected and most of the time they just rub the wraps and pat your knuckles. The eye test would never catch plaster inside your handwraps.

    Have you ever seen handwraps that have had substance in them like plaster etc...After 8, 10, 12 rds they don't look like regular handwraps...Contrary to popular belief the plaster does not get hard....The constriction of the gloves and sweat from the hands doesw not allow it to form hard...It is the weight of the wraps that cause the damage...Like rolled up coins the your hand....

    You can tell by looking that something is wrong...The wraps sag and are mis formed on the hand
    How would you see wraps that had plaster in them after 8, 10, 12 rounds Richardson did say when he felt on the handwraps that they were hard. So they must've harden some already. Plaster takes less than a half hour to harden. http://www.reddevil.com/pdfs/faq_0360.pdf You have more than a half hour with your hands wrapped before you do anything much let alone fight. By the way, how are you getting all this information about plaster in handwraps not getting hard, it feeling like a roll of coins, its the weight that does it, how they look after many rounds, etc.? This isn't exactly a common procedure...except maybe for Margarito
    Last edited by blegit; 04-09-2010 at 04:37 AM.

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