What the fuck is it with the Ring and Nonito Donaire?

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I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

No not at all a catch 22 it was three weight classes for Vargas vs. Donaire (from Straw to Super Fly) and unless you are saying Vargas is the equivalent skill level of Pacquiao (#1 p4p), which he wasn't even rated by the ring at 105, and Donaire was as past it as ODLH it's apples to oranges. Certainly you will admit if ODLH would have beaten Pac, the issue of weight, reach etc. would have been brought up and Pac's loss would have been justified as a condition of those factors, of course it would put ODLH on the ring's p4p rankings not because he beat a much smaller man, but because he beat #1 p4p fighter in the world based on their own ranking system. I wasn't saying p4p rated in regards to Tarver and Johnson, I was saying Ring rated as in rated at light heavyweight Tarver and Johnson were both definately in the top 4 at light heavyweight each time Dawson fought them and the First time Dawson fought Tarver he was the #1 guy at 175.

No we can't sit a go with well Pacquiao was a better fighter and IF DLH beat Manny

Fact is it was the same situation and it did not work out the way DLH intended...

Well size part...Manny had 1 fight at LW are we going to seriously act as if he was then a full blown LW? So tbh he went from SFW to WW...3 weight classes...

What abt the size difference...DLH had a hell of a lot of size over Manny when compared to that of Donaire to Vargas...Donaire had a 5 inch reach adv he weighed 115 Vargas 114.......

So it would have been OK if Manny had lost because of DLH being so much bigger but it is a travesty because Donaire won when he had only a 5 inch reach adv...Hell how many heavies have that luxury over other heavies?

Pacquiao was a P4P ranked fighter but Vargas is a Former WBO champion and a top 10 MIN weight in the world...If he was P4P and fought Donaire it would have been different?

How?...You can not blast one guy for something he did but make excuses for another...

If a guy commits a crime and gets caught he is a criminal...If another guy commits the same crime and gets away with it...He is a criminal just one who got away with it...

DLH and Donaire are guilty of the same crime....DLH just didn't get away with it...

Yet on another note it was OK for PBF to beat up on a smaller Marquez?

Again that was different why? Because Marquez was P4P?...not so....

There are weight classes for a reason...

Why can I not consider the quality of opponent when making judgement? On a p4p list? that's ridiculous to count a win over Vargas to the same degree as Pacquiao. Vargas was never a title holder (unless you count the interim title, which is WBO code for mandatory) he won a shot at Nietes to win the actual title and he lost (I thought he won that fight but that's not the official record). Mayweather's p4p rating is based on moving up the rankings, but his spot improve after Marquez? No, but it didn't go down either because he beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world.