What the fuck is it with the Ring and Nonito Donaire?

[Julius Rain]

the Ring recognize skill, thats why he's top 5 p4p.

So why not rate Yuriorkis Gamboa in the top 10 then ? or Juan Manuel Lopez ETC ? thats biased bro, its not just to do with skill, its about the whole package, resume, longevity, opponents, titles, ETC.

No way Nonito Donaire is P4P top 5, Chad Dawson is just as skilled. And has beaten better opponents yet he is only 8, im not dissing Nonito Donaire. I love watching him fight, his last KO was just fantastic to watch.

But his ranking makes no sense what so ever, its like the Ring Magazine is just randomly placing him.

you right and all but nonito is the guy they think highly of.

[DaxxKahn]

the Ring recognize skill, thats why he's top 5 p4p.

So why not rate Yuriorkis Gamboa in the top 10 then ? or Juan Manuel Lopez ETC ? thats biased bro, its not just to do with skill, its about the whole package, resume, longevity, opponents, titles, ETC.

No way Nonito Donaire is P4P top 5, Chad Dawson is just as skilled. And has beaten better opponents yet he is only 8, im not dissing Nonito Donaire. I love watching him fight, his last KO was just fantastic to watch.

But his ranking makes no sense what so ever, its like the Ring Magazine is just randomly placing him.

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

[killersheep]

the Ring recognize skill, thats why he's top 5 p4p.

So why not rate Yuriorkis Gamboa in the top 10 then ? or Juan Manuel Lopez ETC ? thats biased bro, its not just to do with skill, its about the whole package, resume, longevity, opponents, titles, ETC.

No way Nonito Donaire is P4P top 5, Chad Dawson is just as skilled. And has beaten better opponents yet he is only 8, im not dissing Nonito Donaire. I love watching him fight, his last KO was just fantastic to watch.

But his ranking makes no sense what so ever, its like the Ring Magazine is just randomly placing him.

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

[Kev]

the Ring recognize skill, thats why he's top 5 p4p.

So why not rate Yuriorkis Gamboa in the top 10 then ? or Juan Manuel Lopez ETC ? thats biased bro, its not just to do with skill, its about the whole package, resume, longevity, opponents, titles, ETC.

No way Nonito Donaire is P4P top 5, Chad Dawson is just as skilled. And has beaten better opponents yet he is only 8, im not dissing Nonito Donaire. I love watching him fight, his last KO was just fantastic to watch.

But his ranking makes no sense what so ever, its like the Ring Magazine is just randomly placing him.

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

Actually I think going 5-0 in 5 fights against Tarver, Johnson and Adamek is very commendable.

There is no question that all three were the best opposition available to him at the time, and Tarver was a reigning world champ the first time they met.

For me Pavlik, Williams, Ward, Guzman, Bradley and even Carl Froch have better resumes than Nonito Donaire.

Froch has wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell, controversial or not, that smokes Donaire's resume.

Why did Jospeh Agbeko not get in the p4p rankings when he beat Donaire more recently?

I know Donaire won by knockout, but a huge percentage of upset wins are by KO as the unfancied fighter has less chance of outboxing the better fighter over 12 rounds.

I'm not suggesting that is the case with Vic and Donaire, but there is no reason to go overboard based on a KO win.

[DaxxKahn]

So why not rate Yuriorkis Gamboa in the top 10 then ? or Juan Manuel Lopez ETC ? thats biased bro, its not just to do with skill, its about the whole package, resume, longevity, opponents, titles, ETC.

No way Nonito Donaire is P4P top 5, Chad Dawson is just as skilled. And has beaten better opponents yet he is only 8, im not dissing Nonito Donaire. I love watching him fight, his last KO was just fantastic to watch.

But his ranking makes no sense what so ever, its like the Ring Magazine is just randomly placing him.

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

[killersheep]

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

No not at all a catch 22 it was three weight classes for Vargas vs. Donaire (from Straw to Super Fly) and unless you are saying Vargas is the equivalent skill level of Pacquiao (#1 p4p), which he wasn't even rated by the ring at 105, and Donaire was as past it as ODLH it's apples to oranges. Certainly you will admit if ODLH would have beaten Pac, the issue of weight, reach etc. would have been brought up and Pac's loss would have been justified as a condition of those factors, of course it would put ODLH on the ring's p4p rankings not because he beat a much smaller man, but because he beat #1 p4p fighter in the world based on their own ranking system. I wasn't saying p4p rated in regards to Tarver and Johnson, I was saying Ring rated as in rated at light heavyweight Tarver and Johnson were both definately in the top 4 at light heavyweight each time Dawson fought them and the First time Dawson fought Tarver he was the #1 guy at 175.

[Kev]

In truth if we are going on opponent level IMO Dawson does not deserve his spot either...Since Adamek he has fought Epifano Mendoza who had wins over questionable opp at best and the next 2 fights after Dawson..

Jesus Ruiz....then spent the next 2 years fighting Tarver and Johnson....

Not exactly P4P material there is it?...Not saying Dawson is not a top level fighter but if we are going to factor in opp then that should effect him as well

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

Come on Daxx you can't be serious. First of all Manny is a legend at the lower weights, a p4p great and was an emerging superstar of world boxing. Can you even name the straweight that Nonito Donaire fought? What Hall of Famers had he beaten on the way to that showdown with Donaire? How many world titles had he won (I can tell you, the same as EVERY Donaire oponent exluding Vic - ZERO!!! )

And if Oscar had have beaten Manny I can guarantee the Ring wouldn't have put him at number 6 p4p as they would have just said he was expected to win.

Donaire is the least deserving p4p entrant in the last decade.

Can you name ANY other fighter EVER who has been on the p4p top 10 for 3 years having fought NO, NONE, ZERO, NOT A SINGLE world champ past or present in that time?

His record is appalling. They dropped Hopkins down a place for beating an all time great in Roy Jones. Prior to that he fought Pavlik, Calzaghe, Tarver and Winky, all great fighters, at least two Hall of Famers.

Who has Donaire fought since Darchinyan? It's a scandal that he is in the top 10 at all to be above BHop is plain retarded.

He might have skills, but Juan Guzman is slicker and I sure as hell wouldn't want him in the top 10.

[DaxxKahn]

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

No not at all a catch 22 it was three weight classes for Vargas vs. Donaire (from Straw to Super Fly) and unless you are saying Vargas is the equivalent skill level of Pacquiao (#1 p4p), which he wasn't even rated by the ring at 105, and Donaire was as past it as ODLH it's apples to oranges. Certainly you will admit if ODLH would have beaten Pac, the issue of weight, reach etc. would have been brought up and Pac's loss would have been justified as a condition of those factors, of course it would put ODLH on the ring's p4p rankings not because he beat a much smaller man, but because he beat #1 p4p fighter in the world based on their own ranking system. I wasn't saying p4p rated in regards to Tarver and Johnson, I was saying Ring rated as in rated at light heavyweight Tarver and Johnson were both definately in the top 4 at light heavyweight each time Dawson fought them and the First time Dawson fought Tarver he was the #1 guy at 175.

No we can't sit a go with well Pacquiao was a better fighter and IF DLH beat Manny

Fact is it was the same situation and it did not work out the way DLH intended...

Well size part...Manny had 1 fight at LW are we going to seriously act as if he was then a full blown LW? So tbh he went from SFW to WW...3 weight classes...

What abt the size difference...DLH had a hell of a lot of size over Manny when compared to that of Donaire to Vargas...Donaire had a 5 inch reach adv he weighed 115 Vargas 114.......

So it would have been OK if Manny had lost because of DLH being so much bigger but it is a travesty because Donaire won when he had only a 5 inch reach adv...Hell how many heavies have that luxury over other heavies?

Pacquiao was a P4P ranked fighter but Vargas is a Former WBO champion and a top 10 MIN weight in the world...If he was P4P and fought Donaire it would have been different?

How?...You can not blast one guy for something he did but make excuses for another...

If a guy commits a crime and gets caught he is a criminal...If another guy commits the same crime and gets away with it...He is a criminal just one who got away with it...

DLH and Donaire are guilty of the same crime....DLH just didn't get away with it...

Yet on another note it was OK for PBF to beat up on a smaller Marquez?

Again that was different why? Because Marquez was P4P?...not so....

There are weight classes for a reason...

[Julius Rain]

you guys lost me with the odlh/ pac and vargas/donaire comparison, irrelevant aint it?

[DaxxKahn]

Well take into consideration that we are talking about the Ring's p4p list, Tarver and Johnson were both ring ranked fighters, so you could also say he's only fought ranked fighters over the last two years as well.

I really hold the Vargas fight against Donaire. The equivalent of that would be Chad Dawson fighting DeAndre Latimore quite literally.

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

Come on Daxx you can't be serious. First of all Manny is a legend at the lower weights, a p4p great and was an emerging superstar of world boxing. Can you even name the straweight that Nonito Donaire fought? What Hall of Famers had he beaten on the way to that showdown with Donaire? How many world titles had he won (I can tell you, the same as EVERY Donaire oponent exluding Vic - ZERO!!! )

And if Oscar had have beaten Manny I can guarantee the Ring wouldn't have put him at number 6 p4p as they would have just said he was expected to win.

Donaire is the least deserving p4p entrant in the last decade.

Can you name ANY other fighter EVER who has been on the p4p top 10 for 3 years having fought NO, NONE, ZERO, NOT A SINGLE world champ past or present in that time?

His record is appalling. They dropped Hopkins down a place for beating an all time great in Roy Jones. Prior to that he fought Pavlik, Calzaghe, Tarver and Winky, all great fighters, at least two Hall of Famers.

Who has Donaire fought since Darchinyan? It's a scandal that he is in the top 10 at all to be above BHop is plain retarded.

He might have skills, but Juan Guzman is slicker and I sure as hell wouldn't want him in the top 10.

I NEVER said it was right OR it was OK or did I agree he deserves the ranking...I am POSITIVE I said CLEARLY in another post here that..

"He has the skills to make the spot but not the opp to deserve the ranking"

But if we are going to BLAST a guy for fighting smaller men then there are other BIGGER NAMES that have done the same thing but YOU CAN NOT say it was OK for them because the other guys they fought were the top of the game at their weight classes....even if on the P4P list....

Like I said...JMM was BEATEN UP..AND THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT BUT BEATEN UP...By Juan Diaz..He sat on the ropes abused...he certainly has not fought that way his whole career....Diaz fell apart after the cut but until then he was making JMM look old old old....and everyone knows it or do we need to post the fight off youtube?

But him fighting the much bigger Floyd in his next bout was OK...Floyd did nothing wrong either right?...

No he cherry picked a guy who fought Manny and just after he was abused by a younger fighter..Had him jump up 2 weight classes...But thats OK for Floyd but not Donaire....

C'Mon give this shit a fucking rest and fess up....It was wrong for those guys and it was wrong for Donaire but don't act as if Donaire is the anti Christ of boxing for it...But Praise Floyd's brilliant skill set......

Don't act as if it was OK for DLH to do what he did...When he made that fight to get finally a P4P currently ranked fighter on his resume as a W before he retired...It did not work out for him so all is forgiven then?..

Horse Shit!!!!

Hell Vargas was Champion 1 fight prior.

[killersheep]

I am going to have to go back and check but I don't think Tarver and Johnson were P4P when they fought Dawson...

Let me ask this...

Would you have held it against DLH if he beat Pacquiao?

Manny Jumped 2 weight classes to fight dlh LW to WW

DLH....5' 10 1/2" w 73" reach

Manny..5' 6 1/2" w 67" reach

DLH had a 4 inch height and 6 inch reach advantage

Donaire is 5' 6" w 68" reach

Vargas is 5' 6" w 63" reach

So Donaire fought a guy same height who was coming up 2 weight classes and had a 5 inch reach advantage

Oscar fought a guy 4 inches shorter and had a 6 inch reach advantage who was moving up 2 weight classes and had only 1 fight in the weight class he jumped up from

So if DLH beat Pac would that not be just as bad in fact worse because he had a much more sizable advantage...But DLH lost so it is OK?

Kind of a catch 22 no?

No not at all a catch 22 it was three weight classes for Vargas vs. Donaire (from Straw to Super Fly) and unless you are saying Vargas is the equivalent skill level of Pacquiao (#1 p4p), which he wasn't even rated by the ring at 105, and Donaire was as past it as ODLH it's apples to oranges. Certainly you will admit if ODLH would have beaten Pac, the issue of weight, reach etc. would have been brought up and Pac's loss would have been justified as a condition of those factors, of course it would put ODLH on the ring's p4p rankings not because he beat a much smaller man, but because he beat #1 p4p fighter in the world based on their own ranking system. I wasn't saying p4p rated in regards to Tarver and Johnson, I was saying Ring rated as in rated at light heavyweight Tarver and Johnson were both definately in the top 4 at light heavyweight each time Dawson fought them and the First time Dawson fought Tarver he was the #1 guy at 175.

No we can't sit a go with well Pacquiao was a better fighter and IF DLH beat Manny

Fact is it was the same situation and it did not work out the way DLH intended...

Well size part...Manny had 1 fight at LW are we going to seriously act as if he was then a full blown LW? So tbh he went from SFW to WW...3 weight classes...

What abt the size difference...DLH had a hell of a lot of size over Manny when compared to that of Donaire to Vargas...Donaire had a 5 inch reach adv he weighed 115 Vargas 114.......

So it would have been OK if Manny had lost because of DLH being so much bigger but it is a travesty because Donaire won when he had only a 5 inch reach adv...Hell how many heavies have that luxury over other heavies?

Pacquiao was a P4P ranked fighter but Vargas is a Former WBO champion and a top 10 MIN weight in the world...If he was P4P and fought Donaire it would have been different?

How?...You can not blast one guy for something he did but make excuses for another...

If a guy commits a crime and gets caught he is a criminal...If another guy commits the same crime and gets away with it...He is a criminal just one who got away with it...

DLH and Donaire are guilty of the same crime....DLH just didn't get away with it...

Yet on another note it was OK for PBF to beat up on a smaller Marquez?

Again that was different why? Because Marquez was P4P?...not so....

There are weight classes for a reason...

Why can I not consider the quality of opponent when making judgement? On a p4p list? that's ridiculous to count a win over Vargas to the same degree as Pacquiao. Vargas was never a title holder (unless you count the interim title, which is WBO code for mandatory) he won a shot at Nietes to win the actual title and he lost (I thought he won that fight but that's not the official record). Mayweather's p4p rating is based on moving up the rankings, but his spot improve after Marquez? No, but it didn't go down either because he beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world.

[DaxxKahn]

you guys lost me with the odlh/ pac and vargas/donaire comparison, irrelevant aint it?

It is relevant because KS used the Vargas fight with Donaire as an example on why he does not like him but NEVER 1 time made a comment abt DLH fighting Pacquiao when the fight was coming up that DLH was wrong...And then to say it was OK because Manny was P4P and Vargas is only top 10 in his division..even though he had lost the title 1 fight before...

Would it been OK if Donaire lost?...It still would have been him fighting a smaller man he was expected to beat but did not manage to do it...Ala DLH/Pacquiao

[killersheep]

you guys lost me with the odlh/ pac and vargas/donaire comparison, irrelevant aint it?

It is relevant because KS used the Vargas fight with Donaire as an example on why he does not like him but NEVER 1 time made a comment abt DLH fighting Pacquiao when the fight was coming up that DLH was wrong...And then to say it was OK because Manny was P4P and Vargas is only top 10 in his division..even though he had lost the title 1 fight before...

Would it been OK if Donaire lost?...It still would have been him fighting a smaller man he was expected to beat but did not manage to do it...Ala DLH/Pacquiao

TBH, I'm not sure where you're going with this now..........Vargas was not top 10 that I recall, but that aside.............what exactly are you getting at?

[DaxxKahn]

No not at all a catch 22 it was three weight classes for Vargas vs. Donaire (from Straw to Super Fly) and unless you are saying Vargas is the equivalent skill level of Pacquiao (#1 p4p), which he wasn't even rated by the ring at 105, and Donaire was as past it as ODLH it's apples to oranges. Certainly you will admit if ODLH would have beaten Pac, the issue of weight, reach etc. would have been brought up and Pac's loss would have been justified as a condition of those factors, of course it would put ODLH on the ring's p4p rankings not because he beat a much smaller man, but because he beat #1 p4p fighter in the world based on their own ranking system. I wasn't saying p4p rated in regards to Tarver and Johnson, I was saying Ring rated as in rated at light heavyweight Tarver and Johnson were both definately in the top 4 at light heavyweight each time Dawson fought them and the First time Dawson fought Tarver he was the #1 guy at 175.

No we can't sit a go with well Pacquiao was a better fighter and IF DLH beat Manny

Fact is it was the same situation and it did not work out the way DLH intended...

Well size part...Manny had 1 fight at LW are we going to seriously act as if he was then a full blown LW? So tbh he went from SFW to WW...3 weight classes...

What abt the size difference...DLH had a hell of a lot of size over Manny when compared to that of Donaire to Vargas...Donaire had a 5 inch reach adv he weighed 115 Vargas 114.......

So it would have been OK if Manny had lost because of DLH being so much bigger but it is a travesty because Donaire won when he had only a 5 inch reach adv...Hell how many heavies have that luxury over other heavies?

Pacquiao was a P4P ranked fighter but Vargas is a Former WBO champion and a top 10 MIN weight in the world...If he was P4P and fought Donaire it would have been different?

How?...You can not blast one guy for something he did but make excuses for another...

If a guy commits a crime and gets caught he is a criminal...If another guy commits the same crime and gets away with it...He is a criminal just one who got away with it...

DLH and Donaire are guilty of the same crime....DLH just didn't get away with it...

Yet on another note it was OK for PBF to beat up on a smaller Marquez?

Again that was different why? Because Marquez was P4P?...not so....

There are weight classes for a reason...

Why can I not consider the quality of opponent when making judgement? On a p4p list? that's ridiculous to count a win over Vargas to the same degree as Pacquiao. Vargas was never a title holder (unless you count the interim title, which is WBO code for mandatory) he won a shot at Nietes to win the actual title and he lost (I thought he won that fight but that's not the official record). Mayweather's p4p rating is based on moving up the rankings, but his spot improve after Marquez? No, but it didn't go down either because he beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world.

Yeah OK...That makes Zero sense...Fact is HE FOUGHT A SMALLER MAN BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADVANTAGE TO HIM...PERIOD!!!!!!

That is the topic...Again same thing as DLH and PBF...Now I can use your logic and say well it isn't Donaires fault there are no P4P ranked fighters in that weight class.....So if Vargas was P4P ranked it would have been OK?...As of the moment that is the whole basis of your argument... If that is so then this should not have even been a debate....

Then it would be OK if Marquez sat around and gained 50lbs and fought Chad Dawson because JMM is ranked Higher then him on the P4P rankings...size matters non only the P4P rankings.....

Pac, Mosley, Donaire, PBF, Hopkins, Cotto, Dawson, Williams, Caballero, can only fight either A each other or B fighters who have held world titles in the past. Because the only thing that matters is P4P not size and not what title a fighter held in the past, or if a fighter is on the rise and one of these guys are champ in their division they can not fight the up and comer because he has no world champions on his resume...

This has become sad and this has become the logic of a hater...I never thought I would see bullshit like this from you KS

[DaxxKahn]

you guys lost me with the odlh/ pac and vargas/donaire comparison, irrelevant aint it?

It is relevant because KS used the Vargas fight with Donaire as an example on why he does not like him but NEVER 1 time made a comment abt DLH fighting Pacquiao when the fight was coming up that DLH was wrong...And then to say it was OK because Manny was P4P and Vargas is only top 10 in his division..even though he had lost the title 1 fight before...

Would it been OK if Donaire lost?...It still would have been him fighting a smaller man he was expected to beat but did not manage to do it...Ala DLH/Pacquiao

TBH, I'm not sure where you're going with this now..........Vargas was not top 10 that I recall, but that aside.............what exactly are you getting at?

Because you said it was different when Oscar fought a guy 2 divisions lighter, 4 inches smaller w a 6 inch reach disadvantage because he was P4P ranked and the smaller guy won....You gave excuses like that when I mentioned what the difference between DLH/PAc and Donaire/Vargas....

No wait you said it was OK because Pac was P4P ranked,,,,Then it was Ok because DLH didn;t win or else he would just have not gotten credit for the win...Not that he should not have been fighting a guy so much smaller just no credit for the win...Yet you can't forgive Donaire for the same thing...Because his guy was closer to his own size except the 5 inch reach advantage and his guy was only top 10 in his division not the P4P rankings...Read your own post mate....

BTW Vargas has had 10 fights over 110 lbs...he is not a true 105lbr...He makes that weight because he gets the advantage there