Lucian Bute

[Nameless]

I am not sure how I feel about Bute. He gets knocked out by Andarde, then avenges the loss with a knockout(without Marlin Wright in his corner).

Now it looks like HBO is setting him up for a fight with Kelly Pavlik.

I think The Ring is out of line, by rating him #1 Super middle in the world.

Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ).

[JazMerkin]

Bute totally dominated the first bout with Andrade, not losing one single round except for the 12th where he wanted to go all tank to please the crowd and got saved by the last bell. Except that mistake, he has taken the best punches with ease, he has solid chin and has the very first man to knock the Andrade war machine out, exploit even KEssler hasn't been able to do. HE has much chance against anybody in the super six, not saying he would win automatically but he defo has his fair chances against them all.

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ).

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

[ICB]

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ).

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

[JazMerkin]

I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ).

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

You don't half get worked up Ice

If Margarito won one round, that means Shane didn't dominate THE WHOLE 9 round. I'm a big Shane fan, but whilst it was a dominating performance, he did not dominate the whole fight. Read what I wrote and tell me what disputes that statement. Did I say 'Margarito won loads of rounds & it was a close fight'?

I'm not going to even bother with the Toney fight, because whilst I do think that Toney had been coming on, having a debate with you about Toney is like trying to headbutt a brick wall. I agree to an extent, but Nunn had still won probably 8 of the 10 preceding rounds.

[ICB]

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

You don't half get worked up Ice

If Margarito won one round, that means Shane didn't dominate THE WHOLE 9 round. I'm a big Shane fan, but whilst it was a dominating performance, he did not dominate the whole fight. Read what I wrote and tell me what disputes that statement. Did I say 'Margarito won loads of rounds & it was a close fight'?

I'm not going to even bother with the Toney fight, because whilst I do think that Toney had been coming on, having a debate with you about Toney is like trying to headbutt a brick wall. I agree to an extent, but Nunn had still won probably 8 of the 10 preceding rounds.

Well thats why i did say "unless im reading that wrong". Im not getting worked up at all, i just wanted to know what you exactly meant. Which is fine you explained yourself and thats cool.

As for James Toney why do you think im biased, when it comes to James Toney ? just because in one thread where i said i thought he had all the attributes ?

Yes i do think he had all the attributes. Speed, Power, Defense, Chin, ETC. It's just sometimes he didn't take fights that seriously, which cost him at times.

But at his best he is a complete fighter, and yes i do truly believe that. But thats not to say i think he's unbeatable, he can be beat by movers and ETC.

And plus i do think he got some gifts, especially from Dave Tiberi. But he also did get shafted a few times himself aka Montel Griffin.

Lastly as for the Michael Nunn fight, i feel Michael Nunn threw alot of pitty patt punches. And James Toney was able to take risks late on, walkthrough those punches and come on late.

Its clear as day Michael Nunn was fading, because he had lost the 3 previous rounds. I think James Toney could of still pulled out a draw had it of gone the distance, i had him 6-4 down going into the 11th round.

[JazMerkin]

Well thats why i did say "unless i read that wrong". Im not getting worked up at all, i just wanted to know what you exactly meant.

As for James Toney why do you think im biased, when it comes to James Toney ? just because in one thread where i thought he had all the attributes ?

Yes i do think he had all the attributes. Speed, Power, Defense, Chin, ETC. It's just sometimes he didn't take fights that seriously, which cost him at times.

But at his best he is a complete fighter, and yes i do truly believe that. But thats not to say i think he's unbeatable, he can be beat by movers and ETC.

And plus i do think he got some gifts, especially from Dave Tiberi. But he also did get shafted a few times himself aka Montel Griffin.

Lastly as for the Michael Nunn fight, i feel Michael Nunn threw alot of pitty patt punches. And James Toney was able to take risks late on, walkthrough those punches and come on late.

Its clear as day Michael Nunn was fading, because he had lost the 3 previous rounds. I think James Toney could of still pulled out a draw, i had him 6-4 down going into the 11th round.

Mate, with all due respect, there's certain fighters that everyone knows it's not worth getting into a debate about with you because you like them and that's cool, not saying there's anything wrong with that.

I, and most people, feel Nunn had that fight sewn up if he'd stayed on his feet & that would of been the case on the cards too.

There's no point having a debate about James Toney on a Lucian Bute thread.

[ICB]

Well thats why i did say "unless i read that wrong". Im not getting worked up at all, i just wanted to know what you exactly meant.

As for James Toney why do you think im biased, when it comes to James Toney ? just because in one thread where i thought he had all the attributes ?

Yes i do think he had all the attributes. Speed, Power, Defense, Chin, ETC. It's just sometimes he didn't take fights that seriously, which cost him at times.

But at his best he is a complete fighter, and yes i do truly believe that. But thats not to say i think he's unbeatable, he can be beat by movers and ETC.

And plus i do think he got some gifts, especially from Dave Tiberi. But he also did get shafted a few times himself aka Montel Griffin.

Lastly as for the Michael Nunn fight, i feel Michael Nunn threw alot of pitty patt punches. And James Toney was able to take risks late on, walkthrough those punches and come on late.

Its clear as day Michael Nunn was fading, because he had lost the 3 previous rounds. I think James Toney could of still pulled out a draw, i had him 6-4 down going into the 11th round.

Mate, with all due respect, there's certain fighters that everyone knows it's not worth getting into a debate about with you because you like them and that's cool, not saying there's anything wrong with that.

I, and most people, feel Nunn had that fight sewn up if he'd stayed on his feet & that would of been the case on the cards too.

There's no point having a debate about James Toney on a Lucian Bute thread.

Fair enough move on

[mickel]

I think BUte is at least a pick'em against any in the super six. Strangely perhaps, I think abraham, with his power, would be the most dangerous fight for Bute..

[Kev]

I go with ICB there, I did look at this fight countless time and beside one round, perhaps 2 if I am very generous (including the 12th), I objectively don't see which ones Andrade could have possibly won. Can you really tell me that you've really seen Andrade winning 4 rounds in this fight? He got battered all fight long till the 12th where he almost got the k.o (that's the part where we do disagree if I recall ).

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

[DaxxKahn]

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

The first Andrade fight was tough and physically taxing...I just don't think Bute was prepared for it...I mean who is prepared for a guy who you hit hit hit and keeps coming?......

Bute is not Glass jawed and I agree the big question on him is stamina...But Stamina is easily fixable...Just more cardio in the gym

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

The first Andrade fight was tough and physically taxing...I just don't think Bute was prepared for it...I mean who is prepared for a guy who you hit hit hit and keeps coming?......

Bute is not Glass jawed and I agree the big question on him is stamina...But Stamina is easily fixable...Just more cardio in the gym

Tell that to Jermain Taylor

[Kev]

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

The first Andrade fight was tough and physically taxing...I just don't think Bute was prepared for it...I mean who is prepared for a guy who you hit hit hit and keeps coming?......

Bute is not Glass jawed and I agree the big question on him is stamina...But Stamina is easily fixable...Just more cardio in the gym

You reckon? Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks, and even Oscar De La Hoya never solved that problem.

I think he's a good fighter, I just don't think he's physically able to hang with the most durable guys. Maybe in this modern age of 12 rounders, he will be less likely to get found out. But can you imagine him going 15 rounds with the likes of Ward, Froch and Abraham if the heat got turned up?

His best chances of winning fights against top fighters will always be early, I think the last three rounds or so could test him.

[DaxxKahn]

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

The first Andrade fight was tough and physically taxing...I just don't think Bute was prepared for it...I mean who is prepared for a guy who you hit hit hit and keeps coming?......

Bute is not Glass jawed and I agree the big question on him is stamina...But Stamina is easily fixable...Just more cardio in the gym

You reckon? Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks, and even Oscar De La Hoya never solved that problem.

I think he's a good fighter, I just don't think he's physically able to hang with the most durable guys. Maybe in this modern age of 12 rounders, he will be less likely to get found out. But can you imagine him going 15 rounds with the likes of Ward, Froch and Abraham if the heat got turned up?

His best chances of winning fights against top fighters will always be early, I think the last three rounds or so could test him.

You never heard of them bringing in conditioning coaches either?....I mean there have been guys in the past who have had similar problems and overcame them...Especially Hwts....

You could be right he may not be able to get that stamina...But not as if he just slumps either...Think about the first Andrade fight that was taxing....

I don't see Froch as being a problem for him in that dept...AA yes due to the fact the guy gets stronger as fights go on....Ward though he beat Kessler handily is not confirmed to be all he is made out yet....He beat Miranda handily but he had some issues....inexperience mostly..

I think this guy is legit...Like you said in your other post if you turn out right then you post with Glee....Your not the only one who has that strategy

[ICB]

I've watched it and I see three rounds for him, although I could give him four. But, are you honestly going to say the judges were biased against Bute? He most certainly didn't win every round, that's one of those myths that comes with the fight not being fresh. It's like the 'Shane battered Margarito for the whole 9 rounds', when Margarito actually probably won the 5th round.

So just because Antonio Margarito, may have won one round. That makes it not a complete wipeout ? unless im reading that wrong ?

IMO Shane Mosley did totally dominate Antonio Margarito. He let his foot off the gas in one round, but again Antonio Margarito's punches were very ineffective.

He did batter Antonio Margarito for pretty much the whole fight, and even in the one debatable round. Shane Mosley still stung Antonio Margarito, and landed the much better punches.

I'll tell you a fight that was seriously overrated, to regards of another fighter suposedly dominating another fighter. And thats James Toney vs Michael Nunn.

Michael Nunn won the early rounds, but James Toney was coming on late. And he had won 3 rounds in a row, aswell as winning the 11th round. Before he even KO'ed Michael Nunn in the 11th round.

Everyone makes out it was some kind of lucky punch, from James Toney when it clearly wasn't. It was James Toney wearing him down late.

But you could say the same about Froch against Taylor, and even the first Andrade Bute fight.

Either Bute is completely glass jawed and got ko'd the first and only time Andrade landed anything, or else Andrade was being effective and getting to Bute prior to the 12th round in order to exhaust him.

It can't work both ways.

Bute is a good fighter but he's got a big question mark over his durability imo. I can't think of any fighter in history who has almost got knocked out like he did in that last round against a limited opponent who hasn't then gone on to have stamina and late round issues in future fights.

He's always going to have that vulnurability, just like Jermain Taylor, Cory Spinks etc.

He will still win fights, maybe some against top opposition but that's not going to go away.

If he gets into a dog fight with a Froch, Abraham or Pascal, the last rounds are going to be very difficult for him.

Yes he's looked great since against mediocre opposition, but he hasn't gone past 5 rounds so his stamina hasn't been on display.

He will crumble and get knocked out AT LEAST 3 times in his career if he fights on for the next 5 years or so.

I said the same about Miranda, after he fought Alan Green that he'd be knocked out at least 6 times by the time his career was over, and that's well on the way to fruition.

Not claiming I have anything like Taeth level boxing understanding, I just like to talk negatively about the fighters I don't like, and then if I'm proved right, Mijares, and soon to be Donaire etc, I like to create a gleeful little post pointing out how cool I am.

Bilbo that last bit of my post, had nothing to do with Lucian Bute vs Librado Andrade 1 mate.

And one last thing Lucian Bute come on late against tough/rough fighter like Sakio Bika. And he stopped a big puncher like Alejandro Berrio in the 11th round brutally.