Lucian Bute

[JazMerkin]

Well thats why i did say "unless i read that wrong". Im not getting worked up at all, i just wanted to know what you exactly meant.

As for James Toney why do you think im biased, when it comes to James Toney ? just because in one thread where i thought he had all the attributes ?

Yes i do think he had all the attributes. Speed, Power, Defense, Chin, ETC. It's just sometimes he didn't take fights that seriously, which cost him at times.

But at his best he is a complete fighter, and yes i do truly believe that. But thats not to say i think he's unbeatable, he can be beat by movers and ETC.

And plus i do think he got some gifts, especially from Dave Tiberi. But he also did get shafted a few times himself aka Montel Griffin.

Lastly as for the Michael Nunn fight, i feel Michael Nunn threw alot of pitty patt punches. And James Toney was able to take risks late on, walkthrough those punches and come on late.

Its clear as day Michael Nunn was fading, because he had lost the 3 previous rounds. I think James Toney could of still pulled out a draw, i had him 6-4 down going into the 11th round.

Mate, with all due respect, there's certain fighters that everyone knows it's not worth getting into a debate about with you because you like them and that's cool, not saying there's anything wrong with that.

I, and most people, feel Nunn had that fight sewn up if he'd stayed on his feet & that would of been the case on the cards too.

There's no point having a debate about James Toney on a Lucian Bute thread.

[ICB]

Well thats why i did say "unless i read that wrong". Im not getting worked up at all, i just wanted to know what you exactly meant.

As for James Toney why do you think im biased, when it comes to James Toney ? just because in one thread where i thought he had all the attributes ?

Yes i do think he had all the attributes. Speed, Power, Defense, Chin, ETC. It's just sometimes he didn't take fights that seriously, which cost him at times.

But at his best he is a complete fighter, and yes i do truly believe that. But thats not to say i think he's unbeatable, he can be beat by movers and ETC.

And plus i do think he got some gifts, especially from Dave Tiberi. But he also did get shafted a few times himself aka Montel Griffin.

Lastly as for the Michael Nunn fight, i feel Michael Nunn threw alot of pitty patt punches. And James Toney was able to take risks late on, walkthrough those punches and come on late.

Its clear as day Michael Nunn was fading, because he had lost the 3 previous rounds. I think James Toney could of still pulled out a draw, i had him 6-4 down going into the 11th round.

Mate, with all due respect, there's certain fighters that everyone knows it's not worth getting into a debate about with you because you like them and that's cool, not saying there's anything wrong with that.

I, and most people, feel Nunn had that fight sewn up if he'd stayed on his feet & that would of been the case on the cards too.

There's no point having a debate about James Toney on a Lucian Bute thread.

Fair enough move on

[mickel]

I think BUte is at least a pick'em against any in the super six. Strangely perhaps, I think abraham, with his power, would be the most dangerous fight for Bute..