Lucian Bute

[Nameless]

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

So a company that had no interest in the fight was somehow controlling the judges to spite InterBox?

Honestly, it could... not saying it did but it could there has been a tons of bad blood between Yvon Michel and Eric Lucas because of some things that did happen during the era where Yvon Michel and Lucas were both in Interbox... they don't like each others but keep it civics, I am not kidding here, these facts are well known in Quebec and some articles on RDS have been written about it, I could skim the archives to see if I could find them...
As for the shut out... let's say that 10 (admitting we give Andrade 2) to 2 is quite a shut out

[Rantcatrat]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

[killersheep]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

I think he will, if Miranda wins a single round I'll consider it an upset to be honest.

[CFH]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Miranda could always land his big right hand and chance everything, but Bute is a better fighter in literally every aspect of the game. I'd be surprised if Miranda didn't get stopped relatively early.

[Master]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

[CFH]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

[DaxxKahn]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

Bute would have boxed Frochs pants off... Slick southpaw with power and legs spell doom for a guy like Froch with shitty balance and bad technique.

[Fenster]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

How do you know that?

Don't you think it's far more likely Froch-Bute would have been in Canada?

1. Bute sells 15,000 tickets to Froch's 5,000 in England.

2. Bute hasn't left Montreal for 50 years. Froch has proved he's willing to defend his title in the other guys backyard - Taylor, Kessler.

3. Bute had Showtime and now HBO screening his fights. Froch isn't even on mainstream TV in the UK.

[Pantera]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Bute seems very overrated here. I will tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that Miranda is more underrated though.

Bute may win, but there is no way Miranda will lose. Most people think Pantera has no chance. This will be a war. No chance Bute comes out a winner without the battle of his career.

[Nameless]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Bute seems very overrated here. I will tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that Miranda is more underrated though.

Bute may win, but there is no way Miranda will lose. Most people think Pantera has no chance. This will be a war. No chance Bute comes out a winner without the battle of his career.

I would be surprised if it lasts 5 rounds. Miranda has power but that's about it, Goosen surely made him better but he doesn't have the speed or technique to fight back at what comes for him. If Bute did smoke off Andrade in a few rounds, I don't want to imagine what's coming off for him

[amat]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

[Nameless]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

IF Zuniga, Andrade (I remind you he did knock him down flush before the precise missile he did receive to the liver) or tough guy like the egyptian magician didn't make the limit, do you really expect Miranda to give any kind of challenge? You're serious Amat here? Miranda won't pass 7 rounds and I can bet what you want that it's gonna be a terrible battering.

[amat]

Did you read my post

I gave all the reasons why I don't think it is going to end early, and I definitely find Miranda to be a better fighter and more durable then everyone save Andrade and that was a shock, the same guy went 12 and took every punch he had cleanly. I just think it will be a decision win for Bute or a late stoppage if anything, that's all. I believe it took 7 full rounds for Pavlik to break him down and no way Bute is going to fight that type of fight.

[Rantcatrat]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

Amat,

Bute choosing Miranda was a bit of a letdown to me because he fits the mold of many of Bute's past opponents and no better than most of them. Big punchers lacking a lot of boxing skills (e.g. Berrio, Zuniga, Andrade, Bika, Salem). Bute is an "A" level fighter and I want to see him tested against other "A" level fighters. Don't get me wrong Andrade and Bika are legitimate wins, but I wouldn't place them in elite status. I understand most of his division is locked up in the Super Six and maybe this was the best fight he could make.

That said, I guess you don't think of this as a walk in the park for Bute. Fair enough. I can just see Bute haters, after he wins this fight, using it as an example of Bute not facing good competition. Well, at least you won't be one of them .

What happens if Martinez beats Pavlik this weekend (as many of the British posters predict) and/or Bhop retires? It's far from a remote possibility. Then who does Bute fight?

Just so you know, you said the shot that knocked out Andrade "came out of nowhere." I beg to differ. Bute's accuracy and shot placement isn't a fluke: he's beat 7 of his 25 opponents by perfectly placed body shots (apologizing in advance for self promoting but check an old posting on my blog for video of them). Clearly, at least one thing he's doing correctly is placing his punches to the body.