I am F**KING ashamed of some people here and their Valero comments!!!!

[DaxxKahn]

And I'm not having a go there, just saying that you can't get too worked up about things online. Some people will be insensitive or else have a different approach to a tragic situation. Not everyone will respond quite how you think they should. But that's life really.

And WTF is that picture Jazz? I would never wear those shades.

Never?

Is this not you hocking a pair of Blue Blockers?

[DaxxKahn]

I haven't seen any postings from anybody laughing about what happened.

I made a light hearted remark about the South American police finding him innocent, just a jibe directed at the Gatti investigation, but I don't see how that is really laughing at tragedy or making light of people's deaths.

But exlaiming in CAPITAL LETTERS THAT IF PEOPLE WHO MADE JOKES WERE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD CHOKE THEM kind of puts you closer to the Valero mindset than someone who makes a joke.

Anyway, if you think what has been said up to now is bad wait until you read X's upcoming thread.


And all this trying to make out some of you are morally better than others is just ridiculous. It's a fact of human nature that 99% of us would be more concered about our own slight headache, than about 50,000 people being killed in an earthquake at the same time on the other side of the world. That's just human nature, and yes, you will have been guilty of that too, unless you are permantly wailing in the streets and waving end of the world placards in front of people's noses.

I have only read through the first page or so of this thread and this is the one that stands out for me. This is a message board on the internet and people will say things to rub people the wrong way and sometimes be less considerate than they otherwise would in real life. This often involves exaggerated humour.

What happened with Valero and recent events concerning him are no doubt tragic and god awful, but to start a rant and in that rant include a segment in capital letters saying you would choke them is also way off and not in any way rational, considerate nor noble.

I haven't made any jokes about it, but if anyone does (as I'm sure X will) then so be it. If humans can do anything well, it is to laugh at the absurdity and ridiculousness of situations of all kinds. It isn't always tasteful, but so be it. If you don't like it, you will just have to lump it.

Sorry Daxx, but I think you are being overly sensitive going by your original posting. Chill before you do indeed choke someone.

Obviously the "CHOKING" comment was figuratively not literal

[Kev]

I haven't seen any postings from anybody laughing about what happened.

I made a light hearted remark about the South American police finding him innocent, just a jibe directed at the Gatti investigation, but I don't see how that is really laughing at tragedy or making light of people's deaths.

But exlaiming in CAPITAL LETTERS THAT IF PEOPLE WHO MADE JOKES WERE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD CHOKE THEM kind of puts you closer to the Valero mindset than someone who makes a joke.

Anyway, if you think what has been said up to now is bad wait until you read X's upcoming thread.


And all this trying to make out some of you are morally better than others is just ridiculous. It's a fact of human nature that 99% of us would be more concered about our own slight headache, than about 50,000 people being killed in an earthquake at the same time on the other side of the world. That's just human nature, and yes, you will have been guilty of that too, unless you are permantly wailing in the streets and waving end of the world placards in front of people's noses.

I have only read through the first page or so of this thread and this is the one that stands out for me. This is a message board on the internet and people will say things to rub people the wrong way and sometimes be less considerate than they otherwise would in real life. This often involves exaggerated humour.

What happened with Valero and recent events concerning him are no doubt tragic and god awful, but to start a rant and in that rant include a segment in capital letters saying you would choke them is also way off and not in any way rational, considerate nor noble.

I haven't made any jokes about it, but if anyone does (as I'm sure X will) then so be it. If humans can do anything well, it is to laugh at the absurdity and ridiculousness of situations of all kinds. It isn't always tasteful, but so be it. If you don't like it, you will just have to lump it.

Sorry Daxx, but I think you are being overly sensitive going by your original posting. Chill before you do indeed choke someone.

Obviously the "CHOKING" comment was figuratively not literal

Your previous two convictions might suggest otherwise.

[DaxxKahn]

I have only read through the first page or so of this thread and this is the one that stands out for me. This is a message board on the internet and people will say things to rub people the wrong way and sometimes be less considerate than they otherwise would in real life. This often involves exaggerated humour.

What happened with Valero and recent events concerning him are no doubt tragic and god awful, but to start a rant and in that rant include a segment in capital letters saying you would choke them is also way off and not in any way rational, considerate nor noble.

I haven't made any jokes about it, but if anyone does (as I'm sure X will) then so be it. If humans can do anything well, it is to laugh at the absurdity and ridiculousness of situations of all kinds. It isn't always tasteful, but so be it. If you don't like it, you will just have to lump it.

Sorry Daxx, but I think you are being overly sensitive going by your original posting. Chill before you do indeed choke someone.

Obviously the "CHOKING" comment was figuratively not literal

Your previous two convictions might suggest otherwise.

But as you stated only SUGGEST

[Spicoli]

I've been off all day,not read thread but did he commit suicide ??

[DaxxKahn]

I've been off all day,not read thread but did he commit suicide ??

He sure did...here is a yahoo link
Boxer Valero kills himself in jail, police say - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

[Spicoli]

Shite just saw thread yah.Damn.I've known 7 people over time that went like that.No one wins,least of all his kids left behind to struggle on without parents.I've always thought that one who ends their life at own hand effectivly ends the life of those they leave,in a way.Sad shit all around really.Dead is dead and it always cheats an innocent, no matter the circumstances!

[Lefty]

Bilbo's so profound these days

It sounds like he's been reading the Dalai Lama

Maybe he's just been getting high a lot.

I heard Bilbo snorts meow as of lately, dont do beak no more.

Regarding Valero its sad for his wife, she's a Mother with 2 kids. And as for Valero he can rot in hell. Murdering is the lowest of the low, he wont be getting any sympathy from me. Whether he was drugged up or not when it happened. Apparently he has always been violent and his wife was "Always under the threat of death" from him. Fukking coward.

[Caine3078]

Yeah this was a sad day in boxing and even worse for the family. I saw the posts that made jokes of the situation and ignored them because the people making the jokes obviously have no heart if they can make light of a tragic situation.

[Snakey]

Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

I don't know that you can ever really judge a man. I mean I highly doubt he killed her with no remorse, or for fun. Clearly he was suffering some kind of major problems, and it seems like it was a spontaneous out of control act.

My best friend's dad killed his wife, stabbed her 49 times with a pair of scissors when she told him she was leaving and taking the kids away.

This was over 30 years ago. A tragic story, but guess what, his dad is a lovely guy. He just snapped and went literally crazy. He spent a couple years in a mental ward, and was then released and carried on caring for his son and daughter, even building a house himself.

Amazingly his mother and father in law forgave him. It was a shockingly violent and horrendous act, but he didn't have control over it, the stress caused him to snap.

A similar thing happened to a guy a couple years ago in the uk who grabbed both his kids and jumped out of a window, trying to kill himself. They died but he survived, and he has to live the rest of his life with that terrible, emotion driven 30 second split decision.

Clearly murder is bad and the ultimate wrong, and we all instinctively know that, but that doesn't mean that under certain situations all of us are not capable, in a split moment of doing something that will have consequences for ever.

We don't know why Valero did what he did, what was going through his mind, whether he was even of conscious mind. Now we will never know.

But I'm sure Edwin Valero knew murder was wrong and felt it instinctively as much as you do, which is probably why he killed himself.

Mate sorry my care for the person who conducts the murder goes straight out the window as soon as he commits that act. His mental state, his problems, his hard life...goes out the window coz at the end of the day how can I feel sorry for the person who took someones life away? Valero may of had issues that made this happen and he couldnt deal with them by himself then maybe he should of done the responsible thing and seek help else where, it aint like he lacked the money to do it. He would be in a better position to seek help than alot of other people in the world. Its too bad he didnt get what was coming to him jail but I guess at least the world now has one less phsyco, its too bad one innocent lady had to die. I feel very sorry for her family.

[Dark Lord Al]

I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

Although i havent made any jokes about this situation , you need to calm down before you get ulcers .

[josef4334]

all i feel sorry about are his two kids. now what is gonna happen to them? they are the real tragedy because they have to live thru all this knowing that their mom got killed by their dad and he hung himself after that. i guess all we could do here is pray for the Valero's children.

[HattonTheHammer]

couple of kids woke up yesterday to find they had no parents anymore

That is what should be the primary concern for everyone involved right now. Valero`s dead and he dies a viscious murderer who will never have any respect within the boxing world

RIP to the wife and hope to god she made peace

[ono]

I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

Surely that would make you just as bad as....

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The moment someone called someone else out on this, is the moment it all went wrong.

At the end of the day, strong opinions/ counter opinions will be made in such a messed up situation... Best to just leave certain people to it... (admittedly, I'm saying that in hind sight).

But yeah, just let it go. Let it out, whatever.
But please, lets not turn on one another