Lucian Bute

[Rantcatrat]

I'm somehow agreeing with both of you

I think in the divisional rankings, it's Ward 1 because he did in fact beat the man regarded to be the man. When you do that you're top dog imo, even though Bute has the better resume.

Why has Bute got a better resume though?

Bute's resume.

Top Tier Fighters - None
Second Tier - Berrio, Miranda, Andrade (1-1), Bika

Ward's resume

Top Tier Fighters - Kessler

Second Tier - Miranda

If this were the Olympics Ward has a gold and a silver versus Bute's 3 silver (don't give him anything for Andrade as he lost the first fight) and thus wins.

Bilbo, In my humble opinion, you are giving too much credit to Ward for his win over Kessler. Who has Kessler actually beat to merit giving Ward so much credit for beating Kessler? I'm gonna come out and say it: He was overrated before the Ward match and the win is overrated now.

Just like you said about Bute, he has only beat a lot of second tier fighters and the best of the lot are Beyer, Mundine, and Andrade. Bute's wins over Andrade, Bika, Berrio, and Miranda are just as good. Truthfully, he's been beat everytime he has stepped up in competition. Now, I give him tons of credit for fighting the Calzaghe's and Ward's of the world...in their backyards. He lives up to his name as the Viking Warrior. However, he also receives too much credit for losing to Calzaghe.

I like Kessler as a fighter, but he needs a quality win BADLY. He's done at the top level if he loses to Froch. Straight up. This is put up or shut up for Kessler. And as much as I admire what Froch's done, it'll further lessen the significance of Ward's win if Kessler loses to him.

In regards to Bute, the point of the post, what he needs is that career-defining win at the top level. Like Kessler, he's shown he can dominate the second-tier guys in a deep division. Hopkins at 170 would be that sort of win even though he's old. Pavlik would have been too, but that idea is shot now. There really isn't anyone else at or around that weight for him to fight that would be such a win.

I also agree with Eagle in that he beats the second tier guys more impressively than anyone else, which has to say something about his ability.

[No Contest]

Lucian Bute doesnt get the respect he deserves. I don't know why he's not in the super six. Was that Showtimes doing or his doing? Everyone wants to write him off because of that one round against Andrade.

[CFH]

Lucian Bute doesnt get the respect he deserves. I don't know why he's not in the super six. Was that Showtimes doing or his doing? Everyone wants to write him off because of that one round against Andrade.

It's all explained earlier in this thread.