Lucian Bute

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I'm somehow agreeing with both of you

I think in the divisional rankings, it's Ward 1 because he did in fact beat the man regarded to be the man. When you do that you're top dog imo, even though Bute has the better resume.

Why has Bute got a better resume though?

Bute's resume.

Top Tier Fighters - None
Second Tier - Berrio, Miranda, Andrade (1-1), Bika

Ward's resume

Top Tier Fighters - Kessler

Second Tier - Miranda

If this were the Olympics Ward has a gold and a silver versus Bute's 3 silver (don't give him anything for Andrade as he lost the first fight) and thus wins.

Bilbo you make me laugh honestly, your the one that defended Lucian Bute. Regarding the Librado Andrade controversy, he went down when there was no time left in the round, he got up and beat the count. yes the ref was stupid for telling Librado Andrade to go to the neutral corner.

But that was irrelevant because when Lucian Bute, went down there was no time left in the round, all he had to do. Was beat the count and respond to the ref, which he did if the ref hadn't of told Librado Andrade off for the Neutral corner BS. There would be no controversy and it also took away, the heart shown from Lucian Bute to survive and win.

I know for 100 percent you also agreed, but yet here. Your saying he thought he lost why the change of mind ? because it sounds like your just trying to discredit Lucian Bute to make your point.

The fact is Lucian Bute has beaten overall better opposition, aswell as being a world champion since 2007.

Wins over.

Sakio Bika
Kabary Salem
William Joppy
Librado Andrade x2
Edison Miranda
Alejandro Berrio
Fulgencio Zuniga
Lolenga Mock = Floored David Haye.

Aren't great opposition but its a solid list, also Kabary Salem, Fulgencio Zuniga, Librado Andrade, had never been stopped until they fought Lucian Bute.

Its also the way he's been destroying, the opposition that you have to take into account.

Where as Carl Froch was way behind vs Jermain Taylor, until he scored a come from behind KO. He also earned a very razor thin decision over Jean Pascal, and totally got a gift off Andre Dirrell. Infact you could say in his last 3 fights he's lost atleast 24 rounds.

As for Andre Ward as i said he has one good win over a Mikkel Kessler, who hasn't been fighting top opposition since 2007. He's obviously not the same fighter anymore, yes it was a great win for Andre Ward and i give him props.

But good one win doesn't mean your suddenly the number 1 Super Middleweight, and im suprised you think that way. Considering how much you hate on Nonito Donaire, i mean hell Andre Dirrell deserves to be higher than Andre Ward.

Most think he beat Carl Froch, he also has solid wins over Arthur Abraham, Anthony Hanshaw.