Why Carl Froch is the greatest super middleweight of this generation

[HattonTheHammer]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

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8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Well I strongly disagree aspecially considering Dirrell should beat him handily. You could count the meaningful legal blows Froch landed with your fingers alone. SUre I think DIrrell was nervous and didn't his feet all the time, but besides that it was his fight, he outboxed Froch, and he outpunched him down the stretch.

It was froch who put in the tame performance that night yet he still came out the victor by a fair few rounds.

He`ll do the exact same to ward or anyone else who trys to run away for 12rounds

[Nameless]

So HTH, what about a month for our bet?

[JonnyFolds]

I think Dirrell is a big baby and Froch is a piss poor boxer.

Bute should have lost the first Andrade fight. But now that he wiped the floor with him, I think it's a moot point.

To HTH: Nothing in boxing says the champ gets to take a complete ass whooping if he is ahead on the cards without the threat of the fight being stopped. Aside from that fact he was slumped in his corner after being flattened, he got a looong count, which was actually longer than the original "the long count" (Tunney -Dempsey II)

Have you actually seen the fight ? he didn't get a long count. Count how long it took him to get up, he clearly got up by 8. And by the time he got up, the time in the round was already over.

Yes what the ref done was wrong telling Librado Andrade to go to the neutral corner. But so what ? that made no difference in the fight, because the time in the round was already over.

All Lucian Bute had to do was get up in time, which he clearly did. He responded to the ref and won legitmately, so why should he have lost ? i keep hearing this but why exactly ? because he was badly hurt ?

So what ? he got up and showed heart and won, he only got in that position because he made a mistake, by trading in the last round. It would of been a bigger robbery had Librado Andrade been given the win. With no time left in the fight.

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

[CFH]

I think Dirrell is a big baby and Froch is a piss poor boxer.

Bute should have lost the first Andrade fight. But now that he wiped the floor with him, I think it's a moot point.

To HTH: Nothing in boxing says the champ gets to take a complete ass whooping if he is ahead on the cards without the threat of the fight being stopped. Aside from that fact he was slumped in his corner after being flattened, he got a looong count, which was actually longer than the original "the long count" (Tunney -Dempsey II)

Have you actually seen the fight ? he didn't get a long count. Count how long it took him to get up, he clearly got up by 8. And by the time he got up, the time in the round was already over.

Yes what the ref done was wrong telling Librado Andrade to go to the neutral corner. But so what ? that made no difference in the fight, because the time in the round was already over.

All Lucian Bute had to do was get up in time, which he clearly did. He responded to the ref and won legitmately, so why should he have lost ? i keep hearing this but why exactly ? because he was badly hurt ?

So what ? he got up and showed heart and won, he only got in that position because he made a mistake, by trading in the last round. It would of been a bigger robbery had Librado Andrade been given the win. With no time left in the fight.

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Froch. Annoying. Bag of shyte.

[HattonTheHammer]

Have you actually seen the fight ? he didn't get a long count. Count how long it took him to get up, he clearly got up by 8. And by the time he got up, the time in the round was already over.

Yes what the ref done was wrong telling Librado Andrade to go to the neutral corner. But so what ? that made no difference in the fight, because the time in the round was already over.

All Lucian Bute had to do was get up in time, which he clearly did. He responded to the ref and won legitmately, so why should he have lost ? i keep hearing this but why exactly ? because he was badly hurt ?

So what ? he got up and showed heart and won, he only got in that position because he made a mistake, by trading in the last round. It would of been a bigger robbery had Librado Andrade been given the win. With no time left in the fight.

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

[Nameless]

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

So, one month for the bet?

[HattonTheHammer]

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

So, one month for the bet?

youve got to remember mate im a well respected figure around here if a miracle upon all miracles occured and kessler actually beat froch id have a fortnight of embarrasment and while the majority would see my sig/av change as nothing more than just a great prank by the sites funniest poster the newbies to the forum need an ambassador and more importantly someone to look up to.

I`ll humiliate you for 2 weeks

[Nameless]

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

So, one month for the bet?

youve got to remember mate im a well respected figure around here if a miracle upon all miracles occured and kessler actually beat froch id have a fortnight of embarrasment and while the majority would see my sig/av change as nothing more than just a great prank by the sites funniest poster the newbies to the forum need an ambassador and more importantly someone to look up to.

I`ll humiliate you for 2 weeks

Ok, fine, I'll take two week then.















WIMP

[ICB]

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

It seems to me you haven't even watched the fight, he was in trouble with 1 minute to go. He got knocked down with 2 seconds left in the round, by the time he got up at the count of 8 the round was over.

Where are you getting 38 from ? all you have to do is watch the clip, and count yourself. He wasn't floored 45 seconds before the final bell, he was floored with 2 seconds left in the round.

[Youngblood]

fixed ya thread title buddy.

[CFH]

I guarantee you he could not take 2 steps forward by the count of 8. Bute was out of it halfway thru the 12th round on.. Even he feels bad about the way he won. What do you think "kept him up at night for a year" according to Bute himself before the rematch.

I'm not sure who was more out of it, 'Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez' or Bute

By the IBF's rules he didn't have to. The fight ended the moment his gloves cleared the canvas. He could have literally stood up and fallen over again and technically he would have won because the fight ended when his gloves cleared the canvas as there was no time left in the round.

the argument isnt about did he make the final bell

its about the 45odd seconds before that when he was camped out on the deck and then grabbing the ropes for dear life to make it up at the eventual 8 that most of us could of counted to 38

He got knocked down with less than 10 seconds to go in the round and he gets up right around any logical count of 10 and before the refs count. You're saying you think it should have been stopped before then? That would have been a huge mistake on the refs part.

I was cheering for Andrade and the ref did a horrible job throughout the fight, but the final decision was correct.

[Taeth]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg
8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Well I strongly disagree aspecially considering Dirrell should beat him handily. You could count the meaningful legal blows Froch landed with your fingers alone. SUre I think DIrrell was nervous and didn't his feet all the time, but besides that it was his fight, he outboxed Froch, and he outpunched him down the stretch.

It was froch who put in the tame performance that night yet he still came out the victor by a fair few rounds.

He`ll do the exact same to ward or anyone else who trys to run away for 12rounds

Had did he win by a few rounds? It was a split decision he didn't deserve, first of all he deserves a point taken away at LEAST as much as Dirrell did for all the cheap shit he tried to pull, and second Dirrell made him look like a terrible boxer which he largely is. Taylor basically outboxed him for 8 rounds. Ward will beat Froch when they face eachother.

[ICB]

I thought i'd bump this and by the way, i'll have your name ready by tomorrow

[Eloking]

Hehehe sound like hattonthehammer will have to find a new idol.