Why Carl Froch is the greatest super middleweight of this generation

[HattonTheHammer]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg

8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

[JazMerkin]

Is this your attempt at a Fantana-style thread?

[HattonTheHammer]

Is this your attempt at a Fantana-style thread?

My boys the rickster coach you know that!!

ive got an admiration for carl froch as an athlete and simply read what i see

Fantanas non-gay obsession for john ruiz is more of a love thing

[TheMacMagician]

Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

Cutting it short, Froch has the opportunity to prove himself, and its game on and open I think.

[HattonTheHammer]

Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

Ward butted his way through mikkel kessler, froch wont have that luxury on saturday night

Ive seen very little from andre ward to suggest he even gives froch a tough fight

[TheMacMagician]

Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

Ward butted his way through mikkel kessler, froch wont have that luxury on saturday night

Ive seen very little from andre ward to suggest he even gives froch a tough fight

I guess that there is a decent chance we'll see....

[ICB]

Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

[HattonTheHammer]

Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

[TheMacMagician]

Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

Aplogies man, gettin my shit mixed trying to type quick at work so no one clocks me doin it.

Hell, Froch is certainly not my boy. Don't be getting confused here, i'm no pom pom carrier for Froch. He's slow and quite unco-ordinated at times, and yes he will be found out no doubt, but not by Kessler and certainly not in an easy manner by any of the other tournament fighters, and definately not Bute. If Bute is as good as suggested, I don't care what plan he had, he should have wanted to be in the Super Six, to turn down such an opportunity, 3 big fights and the possibility of proving your the best, just for a fight with Andrade and then Miranda. No way.

[iwng100]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg

8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

I completely agree with your 7th point from the list.

[ono]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg

8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Has Fantana stolen your login?

[Youngblood]

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[Taeth]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg

8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Well I strongly disagree aspecially considering Dirrell should beat him handily. You could count the meaningful legal blows Froch landed with your fingers alone. SUre I think DIrrell was nervous and didn't his feet all the time, but besides that it was his fight, he outboxed Froch, and he outpunched him down the stretch.

[HattonTheHammer]

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

http://photo.maxim.co.uk/images/libr..._110433_12.jpg
8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Well I strongly disagree aspecially considering Dirrell should beat him handily. You could count the meaningful legal blows Froch landed with your fingers alone. SUre I think DIrrell was nervous and didn't his feet all the time, but besides that it was his fight, he outboxed Froch, and he outpunched him down the stretch.

It was froch who put in the tame performance that night yet he still came out the victor by a fair few rounds.

He`ll do the exact same to ward or anyone else who trys to run away for 12rounds

[Nameless]

So HTH, what about a month for our bet?