US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[ono]

Lol Nameless how can you say my argument can't proceed when the principal already sided with me? Everything I said in that post is true, if I wore a shirt with the numbers 666 on it to my high school, I would have been asked to change it. Tinker Vs Des Moines, you made me look the fucken case up, that's the case that gives teachers and principals the right to make sure political statements don't interfere with the school's educational mission. That means it is the principal's JUDGEMENT. Don't tell me my argument can't proceed when you just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.

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Lol Amat (back), did you read the human right charts and the Us amendment chart? Because you never answered my arguments? Because it's not because the principal enforces it that it is correct to do so? (you know the difference between enforcing something and being legal and moral doing so, right?) I did ask my friend Clayton who's an american lawyer (living in the UK now) what he did think about it and he said that if the parents sue the school, they are almost certain to win because ( in his words) it is not a private school with uniforms and because wearing the flag wasn't proscribed by any law and didn't constitute an offense. The guy did so but he had no good reasons at all (same argument that it hasn't been disrespectful neither did it represent an offense to the mexican culture). Missy did sums it pretty well: they should have the right to wear it all the time or never period. As it was not a school law that does forbid flag, the dude was plain wrong.

Ahh but the kids were breaking the US Flag Code by wearing the t-shirts anyway. So there.

Actually, the only illegal thing is to wear an American Flag on a pole, any iconery of the Flag is ok by the law so it's all good

How the hell are you going to wear an American flag on a pole? Anybody who manages that should be knighted, not punished.

[El Kabong]

How the hell are you going to wear an American flag on a pole? Anybody who manages that should be knighted, not punished.

I believe Nameless was correcting you and trying to explain that it's ....well it's not "illegal" it's just uncouth/disrespectful to use the actual flag as anything other than a flag.

ono, I don't really think you understand the kind of resentment shit like this can build up in people. Right now this isn't a racist/ethnocentrist issue it's just a couple kids that got sent home from school for wearing something some moron at a school thought was inappropriate. In the future this could get the ball rolling on any number of bad ideas/acts. I don't think that the people in charge of sending the kids home thought very much about the repercussions of their actions.

[ono]

How the hell are you going to wear an American flag on a pole? Anybody who manages that should be knighted, not punished.

I believe Nameless was correcting you and trying to explain that it's ....well it's not "illegal" it's just uncouth/disrespectful to use the actual flag as anything other than a flag.

ono, I don't really think you understand the kind of resentment shit like this can build up in people. Right now this isn't a racist/ethnocentrist issue it's just a couple kids that got sent home from school for wearing something some moron at a school thought was inappropriate. In the future this could get the ball rolling on any number of bad ideas/acts. I don't think that the people in charge of sending the kids home thought very much about the repercussions of their actions.

We're quite clearly on different ends of the spectrum. They were sent home to prevent a situation between the Hispanic kids and the American kids. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Kev]

Fucking hell this thread is getting old now

[Oggie]

Fucking hell this thread is getting old now

Exactly my thoughts.
This is a situation where a mountain has been made out of a mole hill!

[El Kabong]

We're quite clearly on different ends of the spectrum. They were sent home to prevent a situation between the Hispanic kids and the American kids. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes we apparently ARE on different ends of the spectrum....children at a SCHOOL (a place of learning and understanding) were discriminated against because something "might" have happened.

In AMERICA (apparently unlike in England) the rule of the majority is the law of the land however the rights and liberties of the minorities are respected. And in the case of these children the majority was FORCED to acquiesce because something (that's the symbol of the country this happened in) may have been PERCEIVED as inflamatory and that is RIDICULOUS and for you not to see that is outright shocking.

[ono]

We're quite clearly on different ends of the spectrum. They were sent home to prevent a situation between the Hispanic kids and the American kids. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes we apparently ARE on different ends of the spectrum....children at a SCHOOL (a place of learning and understanding) were discriminated against because something "might" have happened.

In AMERICA (apparently unlike in England) the rule of the majority is the law of the land however the rights and liberties of the minorities are respected. And in the case of these children the majority was FORCED to acquiesce because something (that's the symbol of the country this happened in) may have been PERCEIVED as inflamatory and that is RIDICULOUS and for you not to see that is outright shocking.

Do you not believe the kids were wearing the t-shirts to provoke or send out a message to the Mexican kids at the school?

[boozeboxer]

lets keep it going.

[CFH]

I wonder what the Grey Lion's thoughts are on these new developments...

[El Kabong]

Do you not believe the kids were wearing the t-shirts to provoke or send out a message to the Mexican kids at the school?

No and nothing has been reported to my knowledge to support such a line of thought. Could it have been the case? Sure but then it wouldn't have been about sending the kids home for wearing American flag apparel but for being disruptive in attitude or behavior and that is more acceptable to me if that is the case but I have heard/read/seen nothing to support that what I described was actually the case.

Also Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday and I find that since it's apparently being celebrated in American schools it shows that we're trying to be inclusive. The American culture has been a lot more inclusive in recent years look at New York we have the Puerto Rican Day parade, St. Paddy's Day Parade, etc.....we're a melting pot and the key to that is that the groups that moved here in the past have assimilated into society, lots of Mexicans would rather be Mexican than be considered American or Mexican-American.

I just think that certain groups are trying to be so PC that average Americans have no say, are able to support nothing, and are able to do nothing but acquiesce to special intrest groups and that's bullshit

[ono]

Do you not believe the kids were wearing the t-shirts to provoke or send out a message to the Mexican kids at the school?

No and nothing has been reported to my knowledge to support such a line of thought. Could it have been the case? Sure but then it wouldn't have been about sending the kids home for wearing American flag apparel but for being disruptive in attitude or behavior and that is more acceptable to me if that is the case but I have heard/read/seen nothing to support that what I described was actually the case.

Also Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday and I find that since it's apparently being celebrated in American schools it shows that we're trying to be inclusive. The American culture has been a lot more inclusive in recent years look at New York we have the Puerto Rican Day parade, St. Paddy's Day Parade, etc.....we're a melting pot and the key to that is that the groups that moved here in the past have assimilated into society, lots of Mexicans would rather be Mexican than be considered American or Mexican-American.

I just think that certain groups are trying to be so PC that average Americans have no say, are able to support nothing, and are able to do nothing but acquiesce to special intrest groups and that's bullshit

Erm, surely the Principal sending the kids home should ring some alarm bells? No?

Do you believe those kids wear the flag t-shirts regulalrly? and was it just a coincedence that they all chose to wear it on that very same day - 5th May? If they do, then i'd agree with you. They're not doing anything out of the ordinary. But i believe they chose to wear them purely to get a reaction and that's why i feel the Principal was right in sending them home.

[Kev]

Do you not believe the kids were wearing the t-shirts to provoke or send out a message to the Mexican kids at the school?

No and nothing has been reported to my knowledge to support such a line of thought. Could it have been the case? Sure but then it wouldn't have been about sending the kids home for wearing American flag apparel but for being disruptive in attitude or behavior and that is more acceptable to me if that is the case but I have heard/read/seen nothing to support that what I described was actually the case.

Also Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday and I find that since it's apparently being celebrated in American schools it shows that we're trying to be inclusive. The American culture has been a lot more inclusive in recent years look at New York we have the Puerto Rican Day parade, St. Paddy's Day Parade, etc.....we're a melting pot and the key to that is that the groups that moved here in the past have assimilated into society, lots of Mexicans would rather be Mexican than be considered American or Mexican-American.

I just think that certain groups are trying to be so PC that average Americans have no say, are able to support nothing, and are able to do nothing but acquiesce to special intrest groups and that's bullshit

No and nothing has been reported to my knowledge to support such a line of thought. Could it have been the case?

Doesn't the mere fact that they went to the news stations and are planning to sue over this suggest they are were more concerned with making a statement than in building relations with their Mexican classmates?


Also Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday and I find that since it's apparently being celebrated in American schools it shows that we're trying to be inclusive.

I agree which is why when the principle felt these kids were acting in ways that would be considered exclusive, he acted in accordance with progressive and reconcilliatory American sentiment in telling them remove the clothing or else take the afternoon off.

[Nameless]

Lol Nameless how can you say my argument can't proceed when the principal already sided with me? Everything I said in that post is true, if I wore a shirt with the numbers 666 on it to my high school, I would have been asked to change it. Tinker Vs Des Moines, you made me look the fucken case up, that's the case that gives teachers and principals the right to make sure political statements don't interfere with the school's educational mission. That means it is the principal's JUDGEMENT. Don't tell me my argument can't proceed when you just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.

à

Lol Amat (back), did you read the human right charts and the Us amendment chart? Because you never answered my arguments? Because it's not because the principal enforces it that it is correct to do so? (you know the difference between enforcing something and being legal and moral doing so, right?) I did ask my friend Clayton who's an american lawyer (living in the UK now) what he did think about it and he said that if the parents sue the school, they are almost certain to win because ( in his words) it is not a private school with uniforms and because wearing the flag wasn't proscribed by any law and didn't constitute an offense. The guy did so but he had no good reasons at all (same argument that it hasn't been disrespectful neither did it represent an offense to the mexican culture). Missy did sums it pretty well: they should have the right to wear it all the time or never period. As it was not a school law that does forbid flag, the dude was plain wrong.

Ahh but the kids were breaking the US Flag Code by wearing the t-shirts anyway. So there.

Actually, the only illegal thing is to wear an American Flag on a pole, any iconery of the Flag is ok by the law so it's all good

How the hell are you going to wear an American flag on a pole? Anybody who manages that should be knighted, not punished.

I did mean to bear and not to wear. Other that if you do bring a flag on a pole, no icon of a flag on a shirt or other are forbidden in school.