Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story

[Master]

Yes you are right, and if you really look carefully it looks like Spinks took a dive too.

[boxingbantz]

I agree...Mercer would have had a good chance of beating Mike and I wonder why this match up was never made......Tyson came along when the heavyweight division was crap....full of junkie no mark Champions getting stitched up by Don King......I am inclined to say Trevor Berbick got paid off against Mike and was probably told to exaggerate the knock downs he suffered in the fight to make Tyson look like a monster. I'm telling you now why Tyson's management shied away from Mercer.....the answer is simple.....they fed Tyson Bruno and Carl Williams...and Tyson's management were so over protective against Williams they probably told the ref to stop the fight at the earliest point...and if you look at the fight again I can seriously feel for Carl Williams cause the stoppage is DISGRACEFUL!!!


Job Biscuit (Tyson the biggest hype job EVER)!!!!


eh eh!!!

Pur-lease!

You honestly think that Berbick, in his first defence of his WBC title, exaggerated the knockdowns and was prepared to lose his belt?

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I agree...Mercer would have had a good chance of beating Mike and I wonder why this match up was never made......Tyson came along when the heavyweight division was crap....full of junkie no mark Champions getting stitched up by Don King......I am inclined to say Trevor Berbick got paid off against Mike and was probably told to exaggerate the knock downs he suffered in the fight to make Tyson look like a monster. I'm telling you now why Tyson's management shied away from Mercer.....the answer is simple.....they fed Tyson Bruno and Carl Williams...and Tyson's management were so over protective against Williams they probably told the ref to stop the fight at the earliest point...and if you look at the fight again I can seriously feel for Carl Williams cause the stoppage is DISGRACEFUL!!!


Job Biscuit (Tyson the biggest hype job EVER)!!!!


eh eh!!!

Yeah, ok gaay boy

Ha ha, Mike sure still does attract some queers even 20 0dd years on, even thouhg they never saw how great he was live

[Beanflicker]

Here's the big thing with Tyson: there seems to be no middle ground. People either overrate him, or blatantly underrate him.

Severely washed up Berbick? Trevor was only about 30 years old when Tyson beat him.

Tyson whipped a lot of stiff opposition. He was the real deal in the ring when he was in his prime, no one can take that away from him (but people still try for some reason).

[JonesJrMayweather]

Talk about heart? Wasn't it Tyson who couldn't stomach the thought of losing again to Holyfield so he bit him TWICE in the same round to get DQ'd?

Is this the same Holyfield who kept on headbutting him? Find it quite bizarre that, despite being a few inches taller, Holyfield's head was nested in against Mike's for the majority of the fight.

You mean this headbutting? It's absolutely absurd that you're trying to justify Tyson BITING Holyfield TWICE in the same round.

[boxingbantz]

You mean this headbutting? It's absolutely absurd that you're trying to justify Tyson BITING Holyfield TWICE in the same round.

I'm not justifying it. Just saying I can see why Mike got a bit pissed off - I don't condone the biting though, obviously.

Oh, and for the record, that footage is from the first fight - not the fight where Tyson bit his ear.

[JonesJrMayweather]

You mean this headbutting? It's absolutely absurd that you're trying to justify Tyson BITING Holyfield TWICE in the same round.

I'm not justifying it. Just saying I can see why Mike got a bit pissed off - I don't condone the biting though, obviously.

He got pissed off because he headbutted Evander and it didn't work so he bit him?

[boxingbantz]

He got pissed off because he headbutted Evander and it didn't work so he bit him?

Not in that fight, no.

[JonesJrMayweather]

He got pissed off because he headbutted Evander and it didn't work so he bit him?

Not in that fight, no.

Another noticeable thing in the fight, the second one, which is obvious after watching the first one is that Holyfield clearly understood that Mike lead with his head so he kept his own down as to possibly catch Tyson and make him cause the collision of domes. Either way the butts were clearly caused by Tyson not Evander.

[boxingbantz]

Another noticeable thing in the fight, the second one, which is obvious after watching the first one is that Holyfield clearly understood that Mike lead with his head so he kept his own down as to possibly catch Tyson and make him cause the collision of domes. Either way the butts were clearly caused by Tyson not Evander.

That's fair enough mate, I'm not saying Evander deserves to have a chunk of his ear bitten off. I just thought, in the second fight anyway, Evander was leading a lot with is head and spent most of the fight burrowing his head into mikes (which eventually cut). The fact of the matter is, anyway, Mike knew he was gonna lose the fight anyway and probably premeditated the biting.

Edit - you do have a valid point by the way, thinking about it.

[Majesty]

He got pissed off because he headbutted Evander and it didn't work so he bit him?

Not in that fight, no.

Another noticeable thing in the fight, the second one, which is obvious after watching the first one is that Holyfield clearly understood that Mike lead with his head so he kept his own down as to possibly catch Tyson and make him cause the collision of domes. Either way the butts were clearly caused by Tyson not Evander.

So you say that Holyfield seeing how Tyson comes in decided to lower his head so that his head would butt with Tysons chin so he'd catch him with it. But in the same sentence say that the butts were caused by Tyson not Evander? So basically if Evander didn't lower his head to intentionally cause the top of his head to hit Tyson coming in that Tyson still would have been headbutted? Tyson always leaded with his head, Holyfield made the decision to lower his head so he could butt him intentionally with it using Tyson's force to cause it.

If Wladimer Klitschko fought Cris Arreola and Cris came in with his head, if Wladimer decides to lower his head to catch Cris's coming in, is it because of Arreola that the headbutts are happening? or is it because Wladimer lowered his head to ensure that it happened?

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Lewis also complained about Holyfields head and you only need to look at what the drug cheat did to Rahmans head to see what a filthy, scummy, little girl cheater he is

[JonesJrMayweather]

He got pissed off because he headbutted Evander and it didn't work so he bit him?

Not in that fight, no.

Another noticeable thing in the fight, the second one, which is obvious after watching the first one is that Holyfield clearly understood that Mike lead with his head so he kept his own down as to possibly catch Tyson and make him cause the collision of domes. Either way the butts were clearly caused by Tyson not Evander.

So you say that Holyfield seeing how Tyson comes in decided to lower his head so that his head would butt with Tysons chin so he'd catch him with it. But in the same sentence say that the butts were caused by Tyson not Evander? So basically if Evander didn't lower his head to intentionally cause the top of his head to hit Tyson coming in that Tyson still would have been headbutted? Tyson always leaded with his head, Holyfield made the decision to lower his head so he could butt him intentionally with it using Tyson's force to cause it.

If Wladimer Klitschko fought Cris Arreola and Cris came in with his head, if Wladimer decides to lower his head to catch Cris's coming in, is it because of Arreola that the headbutts are happening? or is it because Wladimer lowered his head to ensure that it happened?

The point I'm making is that if Holy knew Tyson was going to lead with his head so he put his down in order to fight fair I guess. Head vs head then it was smart because clearly Tyson was the one ended up being cut. So it was a bad strategy on Tyson's part, but then you say Tyson always lead with his head so how could that be Holy's Fault because he lowered his head to keep from being butt in the face. So he has a harder head, oh well. Of all the "unintentional" butts in the fight, the intentional ones were by Tyson where he wasn't even throwing a punch.

What's funny is that Tyson is a notorious bully in the ring then when he "gets" it back everyone screams foul..I've seen him unprovoked try to break guys arms in the ring. All of his trainers each have said that he's a bully that when someone stands up to him he backs down and the way evander kept shoving him around the ring and outboxing him caused his flip outs not the "Evander headbutts"

[The Promoter]

Tell me how many fighters Marciano defended his title against, 5 I think? and Foreman, 3 I think?

Marciano is big time over rated. As for him having a solid chin, an old light heavyweight put him on his ass Mike would slaughter him!!

Tyson was going to fight Ray Mercer as a warm up before he fought Lewis but Lewis went to court and stopped it from happening, he didnt want Mike sharpening up!!

This is what gets me (as well as all the other kids that post on forums who dont know much about boxing), you didnt obviously know that Mike had a signed match with Mercer in 02, so you either havent been following boxing very long, or havent been paying attention, either way youv proved your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt

Allow me to explain this to you.....

#1 If title defenses mean anything (and obviously they do) then JOE LOUIS is KING! And because of that I have Joe Louis as my #1 All-Time Greatest Heavyweight with Marciano and Ali following respectively.

#2 Marciano = UNDEFEATED.....FACT

#3 Marciano wasn't far from being a light heavyweight himself, the most he ever weighed for a fight was 192 vs Keene Simmons in 1951 but he mainly stayed at or around 186-188....FACT

#4 It wouldn't matter if Tyson had a fucking time machine he would NEVER have beaten Lennox Lewis ditto re: Evander Holyfield

#5 So Mike Tyson wanted to fight Ray Mercer in 2002....Wlad fought Ray in 2002, demolished him and he gets no credit for it so why would Tyson have gotten credit for it? I'm talking Mercer in the mid-late 1990's specifically right around when he beat Morrison and when he barely lost to Lewis.

#6...so you're a rabid Tyson fan, I have nothing against the guy I just like to reasonably and rationally look at the guy's career that's the difference between us

Right on the money, no one disputes that Tyson was an exciting and gifted fighter, that is true. But those who would put him into to some "untouchable class" aren't being realistic. Styles make fights and his handlers knew who to feed him to make him look that much better. I always believed that a mid 90's version of Mercer or Foreman would have given Mike HUGE problems. Also one other thing I'd like to point out; Mike was not a multidimensional fighter, if "plan A" wasn't working he never had a "plan B", and this became evident as he became older and his "plan A" skills were not as dominant...

[boxingbantz]

What's funny is that Tyson is a notorious bully in the ring then when he "gets" it back everyone screams foul..I've seen him unprovoked try to break guys arms in the ring. All of his trainers each have said that he's a bully that when someone stands up to him he backs down and the way evander kept shoving him around the ring and outboxing him caused his flip outs not the "Evander headbutts"

To be fair, that only happened once.