Where is this secret footage that shows Floyd being faster then Manny?

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Both fighters are accurate. But Floyd averages only 37 punches per round, and throws them conventionally. Manny averages 96 punches per round, and throws them in so many weird angles. If you'd do the math, I think the numbers will speak for it self.

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...heck, Manny even has the ability to dart in and land both right hook and left hook at the same time and dart out quickly to avoid counter. Lol!

[Violent Demise]

Both fighters are accurate. But Floyd averages only 37 punches per round, and throws them conventionally. Manny averages 96 punches per round, and throws them in so many weird angles. If you'd do the math, I think the numbers will speak for it self.

Pay attention to the question.

[milmascaras1]

just because pacquiao throws over 90 punches per round and floyd jr. averages 37 means absolutely nothing. what counts is the quality of those punches. and if one looks at their records, mayweather jr. is the undefeated fighter with the superior boxing skills, who has never been stopped and/or kayoed by mediocre fighters.

[El Kabong]

I think what makes Floyd so tough for someone like Manny is that Floyd has the ability to pick off a punch and counter with power and IMMEDIATELY move out of the danger zone.

To beat Floyd, Pacquiao will have to avoid flush counters AND avoid the clinch if he ends up hurting Floyd.

[DaxxKahn]

just because pacquiao throws over 90 punches per round and floyd jr. averages 37 means absolutely nothing. what counts is the quality of those punches. and if one looks at their records, mayweather jr. is the undefeated fighter with the superior boxing skills, who has never been stopped and/or kayoed by mediocre fighters.

Manny was 18 and 110lbs his first KO loss by KO was to Singsurat who at the time was no ordinary mediocre fighter

[AdamGB]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

[milmascaras1]

daxx,

it doesn't matter that pacquiao was just 18 yo. and only 110 lbs., the fact is this, he got blown away by singurat or whatever his name is, got blown away by the filipino journeyman, rustico torrecampo, got a long count (17 seconds) courtesy of filipino referee, carlos padilla, after pacquiao got knocked down, against nedal hussein, wanted to quit against the late agapito sanchez, got two gift decisions against marquez, got hurt by a much smaller oscar larios, lost to a very much past his prime, erik morales, who by the way was coming off a loss in a very thrilling but exhausting trilogy against barrera, fought and beat up an old, dangerously weight drained, oscar and made miguel cotto fight at a catchweight for cotto's welterweight title. pacquiao might have an outstanding record but when you scrutinize it, it has many holes and question marks. aside from the castillo fights, mayweather has had his way with every opponent he's fought. his fights haven't created any controversies like pacquiao's fights have because he's beaten everyone rather easily with zero doubts. it funny how people claim mayweather jr. refuses to fight bigger opponents than he. didn't he start off his career at super featherweight, win a title there, and gone up to 154 and win a title there? that's 24 lbs. north of where he won his first title! so it's crazy to say he's ducked bigger fighters than he because facts are facts!

[milmascaras1]

it's easy to say mayweather jr. hasn't fought EVERY top fighters like margarito, vernon forrest, paul williams, etc...but the same can be said about pacquiao's refusal to fight fighters like joan guzman, humberto soto, joel casamayor, juan diaz and so on, when he was at the lighter weights. instead, he fought older, ready to retire fighters like morales and barrera, after they were through with their trilogy. he even picked on the much smaller larios at super featherweight when larios was a lifetime super bantamweight and almost got knocked out!!! like mayweather, he didn't take chances either in risking defeat by fighting other difficult, younger and in their prime fighters.

[DaxxKahn]

daxx,

it doesn't matter that pacquiao was just 18 yo. and only 110 lbs., the fact is this, he got blown away by singurat or whatever his name is, got blown away by the filipino journeyman, rustico torrecampo, got a long count (17 seconds) courtesy of filipino referee, carlos padilla, after pacquiao got knocked down, against nedal hussein, wanted to quit against the late agapito sanchez, got two gift decisions against marquez, got hurt by a much smaller oscar larios, lost to a very much past his prime, erik morales, who by the way was coming off a loss in a very thrilling but exhausting trilogy against barrera, fought and beat up an old, dangerously weight drained, oscar and made miguel cotto fight at a catchweight for cotto's welterweight title. pacquiao might have an outstanding record but when you scrutinize it, it has many holes and question marks. aside from the castillo fights, mayweather has had his way with every opponent he's fought. his fights haven't created any controversies like pacquiao's fights have because he's beaten everyone rather easily with zero doubts. it funny how people claim mayweather jr. refuses to fight bigger opponents than he. didn't he start off his career at super featherweight, win a title there, and gone up to 154 and win a title there? that's 24 lbs. north of where he won his first title! so it's crazy to say he's ducked bigger fighters than he because facts are facts!

OH I understand now you mean like Mayweather fighting a drained Corrales who was having highly publicized personal problems when they met, squeeked by one of the two fights against JLC that many gave JLC the win, in the other JLC barely made weight, picked the weakest of all the champion Gatti to face at 140 because he knew Gatti was slower had shitty defense and cut like tissue paper, bragged about a win over Carlos Baldomir who was so slow you could take a lunch break during a combo and make it back for the last punch, was rocked by a mind fragile Judah, could only get a SD against DLH the same DLH that Pacquiao beat up a year later who had zero punishment between the bouts, fought Hatton at a weight Hatton was given nothing but gift decisions when he fought there, took 2 years off to face a much smaller LMM the same JMM who had 1 fight as a lw before moving up 2 divisions, the fight at LW against Jdiaz he was battered more often then not, then bragged about the win claiming it had nothing to do with trying to figure out a gauge measure for Pacquiao, the same Mayweather who could care less about steroid use for the JMM fight but decides in just 2 months time he needs to clean up the sport by requesting Manny take PED test....Is this the Mayweather we are so high up on?

The same Mayweather who made 1 defense of his WW title against Hatton the same Hatton thsat struggled with Lazcano and Collazo, the Same Mayweather that could have faced Williams, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Clottey, Lujan, Collazo, or any other fighter in the top 20 but stated there was no one left to fight so he retired?

Is this the Floyd?

The same Mayweather who states he only fights for money but then will talk out the other side of his face about wanting to be the best ever?

The same Floyd Mayweather JR that swears up and down he is Gangsta and has Violent Demise do internet research on how Gangsters talk so he can use it in interviews for HBO or youtube shorts...Yet Even his own uncle Jeff acknowleged that Floyd grew up in the suburbs with his Grandmother...Is this the Mayweather we are bragging about?

I just want to make sure we are on the same page because your Mayweather walks on water the one I know doesn't

[ER-101]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

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We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

Good vid. I wish HBO would update it and add those 4 previous fights of his.

Floyd has quicker reflex DEFENSIVELY. He mastered the shoulder roll technic and lunches quick counter, but that's all he got, it's all repetition. And Roach knows that.

Once Pac finds out that he can take Mayweather's punch, then he's gonna force a fight. Manny have to put him in awkward situation like he does to his many opponents. That's his main key imo.

[Majesty]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

Because Barerra, Morales Hatton and Cotto have the same defenses as Floyd and PBF will stand still and let Pacquiao throw while not moving at all right?