Where is this secret footage that shows Floyd being faster then Manny?

[JonnyFolds]

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i'm no Floyd nutthugger but IMO Floyd does have overall better speed (hands, reflexes, feet), Manny still gets tagged...plenty, hell Clottey who did jack shit still managed to mark him up plenty, aside from the couple of shots that Mosley landed in round two who has landed on Mayweather as easily as Pacquiao gets hit, and yet Mayweather still manages to land around 5 CLEAN shots to one on guys like Mosley

Well one thing is for sure. You (Elterrible) are certainly not a Pacquiao nuthugger with that hideous signature. When are you going to drop that lame thing anyway? I don't think ANYONE has come with a single solitary shred of evidence that Pacquiao is on 'roids.

Pac is faster than Floyd now, and that's what counts. Floyd has heavier hands, which looks to be keeping his opposition honest these days, and I'd give him the accuracy too except (whah whah.....) he only throws 30 punches a round.

I am still hoping this fight doesn't happen. It's not an exciting fight at all. Only intriguing because of the matchup. I would rather have pac fight Meldrick Taylor, JCC, TBradley, Maidana, hell Cotto again would be awesome, even Berto.

But Watching Floyd fight? I have NEVER gone BACK to watch a Mayweather fight. They are painstakingly boring, and I can pretty much remember all 200 punches he throws in a 12rnd fight. Congrats to him for outclassing his opponents, and he's a great boxer. I just wish he belonged to another generation so I could admire him as a great fighter of yore, and not have to tell fringe boxing fans not to get too excited about his fights. He's the greatest boxer, but NOT the greatest fighter. And the storyline is the same... Mayweather is the biggest jackass ever, and everybody pays to hope the jackass gets his block knocked off.

yea i'm sure you would rather have Pacquiao beat retired guys like Chavez and Taylor, or guys who won't beat the shit out of him, cause that's what Mayweather will do

and so what if he only throws 30 punches a round, with how bad Manny misses and how sharp Mayweather's defense and reflexes are, every shot within those 30 punches thrown by Floyd will be more effective than ANYTHING Pacquiao does, Manny still misses alot, and still gets hit alot, so his punch output wont help him one bit

[Gandalf]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

[AdamGB]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

[Gandalf]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

No his output won't be as much, but it will be significantly higher than Floyd's. If Hatton can keep up with Floyd for half a fight, then Manny can go all the way. Floyd is older now and fights more flatfooted, his upper body defence is still spot on, but he isn't as elusive, he can be tagged and is getting hit more than he used to. Not a massive amount, but punches are landing. Manny has the footwork, power and speed to cause Floyd a lot of problems. I also don't think Floyd deals as effectively with southpaws. If Zab can be up after 4 rounds, then you know Manny can be too and Manny doesn't have Zab's ADD either, so will be able to sustain it or adapt according to what Roach sees fit. I honestly think Mosley was out far too long and age caught him somewhat and that Marquez was a LW fighting a WW and was much too small. Floyd hasn't beaten someone in their prime nor weight class for years now.

[Gandalf]

That's not to say Manny's record is the bees knees with all the catchweights and opponents coming in off of losses, but I think it has been more impressive than Mayweather's on the whole.

[C-Lo]

I've said this from the get go. When you put this match-up in debate each side can argue why their fighter is better than the other or why one guy will dominate the other. Both men, if they EVER decide to fight each other will be in there with someone like they've never seen before.

Manny has never fought anyone as quick, as defensively sound, and as confident as Mayweather is. Floyd has never fought anyone as aggressive, with the same heart, and also as confident as Manny is. Call me a mediator, but this is how I really view this fight.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

No his output won't be as much, but it will be significantly higher than Floyd's. If Hatton can keep up with Floyd for half a fight, then Manny can go all the way. Floyd is older now and fights more flatfooted, his upper body defence is still spot on, but he isn't as elusive, he can be tagged and is getting hit more than he used to. Not a massive amount, but punches are landing. Manny has the footwork, power and speed to cause Floyd a lot of problems. I also don't think Floyd deals as effectively with southpaws. If Zab can be up after 4 rounds, then you know Manny can be too and Manny doesn't have Zab's ADD either, so will be able to sustain it or adapt according to what Roach sees fit. I honestly think Mosley was out far too long and age caught him somewhat and that Marquez was a LW fighting a WW and was much too small. Floyd hasn't beaten someone in their prime nor weight class for years now.

It may not be significantly higher after a couple of rounds of getting whacked in the dish by a Floyd counter every time he starts an attack. JMM's output dropped somewhat after a couple of rounds of whackage.

[Gandalf]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

No his output won't be as much, but it will be significantly higher than Floyd's. If Hatton can keep up with Floyd for half a fight, then Manny can go all the way. Floyd is older now and fights more flatfooted, his upper body defence is still spot on, but he isn't as elusive, he can be tagged and is getting hit more than he used to. Not a massive amount, but punches are landing. Manny has the footwork, power and speed to cause Floyd a lot of problems. I also don't think Floyd deals as effectively with southpaws. If Zab can be up after 4 rounds, then you know Manny can be too and Manny doesn't have Zab's ADD either, so will be able to sustain it or adapt according to what Roach sees fit. I honestly think Mosley was out far too long and age caught him somewhat and that Marquez was a LW fighting a WW and was much too small. Floyd hasn't beaten someone in their prime nor weight class for years now.

It may not be significantly higher after a couple of rounds of getting whacked in the dish by a Floyd counter every time he starts an attack. JMM's output dropped somewhat after a couple of rounds of whackage.

Would Marquez have dusted up Cotto? Would Marquez have dusted up Hatton? Would Marquez have dusted up Clottey?

Is no the answer? And yet you are so sure that 2 rounds with Floyd would be the difference between him and Manny. Get real on the boxing dammit.

[erik_corrales]

its the ultimate hugger vs. hater thread!!


i'm enjoying here, seriously

[milmascaras1]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

[milmascaras1]

adamGB,

i absolutely agree with your assessment. mayweather doesn't need to throw punches in bunches because he's too accurate and doesn't need to. great boxing incite!

[mad_takamura]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

If this fight goes through, let's have an avatar bet! I see you don't have an avatar yet coz maybe you're too dumb to not know how to place an avatar yet.
IF pac wins against mayweather i want you to have an avatar of ellerbe and a title saying "this is my secret identity."
If mayweather wins i will never again post here at saddo.
Deal? No chicken shit.

[DaxxKahn]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

C'Mon Milly with the boxer of the decade debtae...How could you givie it to Floyd over Manny? If anything just the nfact Floyd did not fight for the entire decade would validate it...You can't give fighter of the decade award to a guy who retired for almost 2 years then came back to fight a guy 2 weight divisions smaller.....