Naz-vs-Marquez? The greatest duck in history? Fact.

[Mattyhitman]

Marquez was offered a career high payday of $400,000 to face Naz in the year 2000. He turned it down claiming he wasn't ready for Naz, even though he spent two years as WBO no.1 mandatory. Naz ruined the unfortunate Augie Sanchez instead.

The question is - where would Marquez be without this duck of Naz? It was clearly a great move. Fact.

Discuss

That right there says it all. Marquez waited and waited for Hamed to fight him. While Hamed begged and begged the WBO to let him fight some one else. After giving him so many passes the WBO was considering stripping him of the title. But Hamed promised he would fight Marquez after he fought Cesar Soto. He wanted to unify the titles first. Hamed beat Soto in one of the worst fights of 1999. Marquez canceled his fight with Roque Cassiani to prepare for Hamed. Than in one of the most skanless, cowardice moves ever in Boxing history Hamed backs out of the fight and in turn faces Vuyani Bungu. Now Bungu was a fine Super Bantamweight. But he had never fought as a Featherweight before. Not to mention he hadn't fought in over a year. Yet some how Hamed deemed him worthy of a title shot. Marquez considered legal action but decided against it. He was done with Hamed and his games. Hamed creamed Bungu while Marquez went on with the Cassiani fight. Afterwards Hamed for like the 10th time again told Marquez he would fight him. Marquez said if he was serious about fighting him give him $500,000. Hamed showed he wasn't serious and said no.

90% of your post is utter drivel.

This little snippet comes from Antonio Curtis, Marquez former matchmaker at Forum Boxing - "When the WBO said they were going to make a unification, I forgot who the hell they were supposed to be fighting. What happened is this, as soon as they told us no, we took another fight. As soon as we took another fight, then they called us when we had already signed for another fight and then they wanted us to fight Hamed, Curtis recalled, of those events. Now, I wanted to pull that fight, to fight Hamed. But Nacho said no. He would've gotten a half-million for the fight and Nacho turned that fight down." http://www.maxboxing.com/kim/kim031607.asp

There you go. Marquez shamelessly ducked Naz. Fact.

A link that leads no where. Just like your post. And I here i though you would actually provide something of substance. I'm disappointed in myself for thinking that. Anyway this is pretty easy standard stuff. The champion must defend against his mandatory within 6 months to a year. Hamed went over 2 years avoiding Marquez. In the mean time he fought an ancient fighter (Wilfredo Vazquez) a seriously out classed fighter (Wayne McCullough) and domestic club fighter (Paul Ingle). That's what you call ducking 101 there

All three much bigger names than Marquez back then. Anyway, i've something even better, straight from the horses mouth Juan Manuel Marquez admitting his duckage of the Naz fella.

Read and weep boy -

Featherweight Marquez said no to Hamed

Juan Manuel Marquez conceded Friday that he turned down a fight with Prince Naseem Hamed, the World Boxing Organization featherweight champion. "I had been waiting two years," said Marquez, speaking through a translator. "Now they want the fight. I wasn't prepared. They did not give me sufficient time to get prepared."

"Hamed is difficult to fight. Hamed is like a wrestler," Marquez said. "He will toss you around if he can. It is almost the same way with fighting (Freddie) Norwood. You have to knock him out to get the victory."

Marquez said he would like to fight Hamed as the champion of one of the other sanctioning bodies. Otherwise, Marquez said, fighting Hamed "is not on even terms."

Nacho Beristain, Marquez's manager, criticized the Hamed camp's negotiating tactics. "They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it."

LAS VEGAS RJ:SPORTS: Featherweight Marquez said no to H...

There you go, you can't argue with the facts, Marquez turned down a career high payday because he didn't feel ready for Naz.

Marquez bottled the Naz fight. Fact.

Thank you. 2 years he waited and waited. But Hamed wanted none. You said it yourself. Can't argue facts. You provided the proof. For 2 years Hamed ducked him. He had no problem fighting chumps like Ingle. A fighter who'd own mother didn't know she had a son named Paul. But looked for every excuse not to fight Marquez

It's like this. Hamed was a good entertaining fighter. Fun to watch. But an ATG he is more certainly not. Facts don’t lie. And facts are Hamed never beat a real good fighter who was in his prime. All the fighters he fought who were a name came in with ridiculous amount of mileage on them. When Hamed fought Barrera. Barrera had already fought 55 times. Cesar Soto 63. Wilfredo Vazquez 59. Kevin Kelley 50. Vuyani Bungu 39. Tom Johnson 48. Manuel Medina 59. The ones that didn’t Paul Ingle and Wayne McCullough were not as good as the previous fighters mentioned. McCullough was average. Ingle was straight garbage.

The two year wait just harms Marquez case for the duck. If he spent that long chasing Naz how come he said NO the first opportunity he got? Don't make sense. The truth is Marquez/Beristain never wanted any part of Naz.

Here's a little quiz for you.

What do these guys have in common - Coto, Johnson, Medina, Kelly, McCullough, Bungu and Vazquez? That's right, they had all won "world" titles before Naz bashed them. Even Paul Ingle won the IBF title in his very next fight after losing to Naz.

Marquez had how many world titles back in Naz day? That's right, ZERO!! Marquez didn't become a "world" champion until bascially TWO years AFTER Naz had retired.

Just like Marquez the man himself said - "I want to fight Naz when I have a world title to make it more fair"

Marquez simply wasn't ready for Naz back then. And Naz had bigger fish to fry unifying the featherweight divison.

The duck explained. Fact.

What big fish? Cesar Soto? Come on now. Hamed didn't care about unifiying. But trying to unify was the only excuse he had left that the WBO was going to buy. They were set to strip him for his shameful ducking of Marquez. That's a fact. Hamed backed himself into a unification bout when he used it as an excuse. Why you think he never went after the other 2 titles?

As usual you display an astounding lack of knowledge of the boxing business.

Now get prepared to be educated some more. Ready?

1. Why would the WBO want a chump change fighter as their champion when they have a millionaire megastar reigning? The bigger the fighter, the bigger the purses, the bigger the SANCTION FEES. Why do you think the WBO didn't give a fuck about Marquez languishing as the no.1 contender? Marquez was a nobody.

2. The WBO never stripped Naz of anything, he chucked the title to fight Barrera.

3. Tom Johnson - IBF champion
Wilfredo Vazquez - Lineal and WBA champion (stripped for unifying with Naz)
Cesar Soto - WBC champion

Now let me make this easy - whilst Naz held the WBO title he beat the current lineal, WBC, WBA and IBF champion. That makes him the lineal, unified king of the featherweight division.

So what two titles you on about?

It's obvious you copied and paste somebody else post from where ever the hell you read it from and are trying to pass it off as your own. While you got the right words in. And the key phrases. You ain't using them right. Cuz you don't really know what you talking about. Let me fix your inconsistencies with straight facts.

((Accusing me of plagiarism ))

Yet again you show a shocking naivety in all matters boxing.

Marquez lost to Norwood (in a fight so ugly HBO were appalled) 4 weeks before Naz beat Soto. So explain how Naz-Marquez was gonna happen at that time?

Only hardcore fans understand lineal. Alphabet unifications SELL!!! HBO paid Naz $5million for the Soto unification.

Now, as anyone can see, i've already unequivocally proven that Marquez ducked Naz. Marquez said it. Beristain said it. Their former match maker said it.

But you answer me this - name me an elite fighter Marquez beat that was in his prime. Just one. And I said elite. Or a world title Marquez had won. Just one. And I said one world title. Back in the day that would warrant him a shot at Naz?

Hmmm


It seems to me the FACTS Fenster is putting forward are by far the superior. I really carnt see a way out of this for ya VD

[Fenster]

Marquez was offered a career high payday of $400,000 to face Naz in the year 2000. He turned it down claiming he wasn't ready for Naz, even though he spent two years as WBO no.1 mandatory. Naz ruined the unfortunate Augie Sanchez instead.

The question is - where would Marquez be without this duck of Naz? It was clearly a great move. Fact.

Discuss

That right there says it all. Marquez waited and waited for Hamed to fight him. While Hamed begged and begged the WBO to let him fight some one else. After giving him so many passes the WBO was considering stripping him of the title. But Hamed promised he would fight Marquez after he fought Cesar Soto. He wanted to unify the titles first. Hamed beat Soto in one of the worst fights of 1999. Marquez canceled his fight with Roque Cassiani to prepare for Hamed. Than in one of the most skanless, cowardice moves ever in Boxing history Hamed backs out of the fight and in turn faces Vuyani Bungu. Now Bungu was a fine Super Bantamweight. But he had never fought as a Featherweight before. Not to mention he hadn't fought in over a year. Yet some how Hamed deemed him worthy of a title shot. Marquez considered legal action but decided against it. He was done with Hamed and his games. Hamed creamed Bungu while Marquez went on with the Cassiani fight. Afterwards Hamed for like the 10th time again told Marquez he would fight him. Marquez said if he was serious about fighting him give him $500,000. Hamed showed he wasn't serious and said no.

90% of your post is utter drivel.

This little snippet comes from Antonio Curtis, Marquez former matchmaker at Forum Boxing - "When the WBO said they were going to make a unification, I forgot who the hell they were supposed to be fighting. What happened is this, as soon as they told us no, we took another fight. As soon as we took another fight, then they called us when we had already signed for another fight and then they wanted us to fight Hamed, Curtis recalled, of those events. Now, I wanted to pull that fight, to fight Hamed. But Nacho said no. He would've gotten a half-million for the fight and Nacho turned that fight down." http://www.maxboxing.com/kim/kim031607.asp

There you go. Marquez shamelessly ducked Naz. Fact.

A link that leads no where. Just like your post. And I here i though you would actually provide something of substance. I'm disappointed in myself for thinking that. Anyway this is pretty easy standard stuff. The champion must defend against his mandatory within 6 months to a year. Hamed went over 2 years avoiding Marquez. In the mean time he fought an ancient fighter (Wilfredo Vazquez) a seriously out classed fighter (Wayne McCullough) and domestic club fighter (Paul Ingle). That's what you call ducking 101 there

All three much bigger names than Marquez back then. Anyway, i've something even better, straight from the horses mouth Juan Manuel Marquez admitting his duckage of the Naz fella.

Read and weep boy -

Featherweight Marquez said no to Hamed

Juan Manuel Marquez conceded Friday that he turned down a fight with Prince Naseem Hamed, the World Boxing Organization featherweight champion. "I had been waiting two years," said Marquez, speaking through a translator. "Now they want the fight. I wasn't prepared. They did not give me sufficient time to get prepared."

"Hamed is difficult to fight. Hamed is like a wrestler," Marquez said. "He will toss you around if he can. It is almost the same way with fighting (Freddie) Norwood. You have to knock him out to get the victory."

Marquez said he would like to fight Hamed as the champion of one of the other sanctioning bodies. Otherwise, Marquez said, fighting Hamed "is not on even terms."

Nacho Beristain, Marquez's manager, criticized the Hamed camp's negotiating tactics. "They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it."

LAS VEGAS RJ:SPORTS: Featherweight Marquez said no to H...

There you go, you can't argue with the facts, Marquez turned down a career high payday because he didn't feel ready for Naz.

Marquez bottled the Naz fight. Fact.

Thank you. 2 years he waited and waited. But Hamed wanted none. You said it yourself. Can't argue facts. You provided the proof. For 2 years Hamed ducked him. He had no problem fighting chumps like Ingle. A fighter who'd own mother didn't know she had a son named Paul. But looked for every excuse not to fight Marquez

It's like this. Hamed was a good entertaining fighter. Fun to watch. But an ATG he is more certainly not. Facts don’t lie. And facts are Hamed never beat a real good fighter who was in his prime. All the fighters he fought who were a name came in with ridiculous amount of mileage on them. When Hamed fought Barrera. Barrera had already fought 55 times. Cesar Soto 63. Wilfredo Vazquez 59. Kevin Kelley 50. Vuyani Bungu 39. Tom Johnson 48. Manuel Medina 59. The ones that didn’t Paul Ingle and Wayne McCullough were not as good as the previous fighters mentioned. McCullough was average. Ingle was straight garbage.

The two year wait just harms Marquez case for the duck. If he spent that long chasing Naz how come he said NO the first opportunity he got? Don't make sense. The truth is Marquez/Beristain never wanted any part of Naz.

Here's a little quiz for you.

What do these guys have in common - Coto, Johnson, Medina, Kelly, McCullough, Bungu and Vazquez? That's right, they had all won "world" titles before Naz bashed them. Even Paul Ingle won the IBF title in his very next fight after losing to Naz.

Marquez had how many world titles back in Naz day? That's right, ZERO!! Marquez didn't become a "world" champion until bascially TWO years AFTER Naz had retired.

Just like Marquez the man himself said - "I want to fight Naz when I have a world title to make it more fair"

Marquez simply wasn't ready for Naz back then. And Naz had bigger fish to fry unifying the featherweight divison.

The duck explained. Fact.

What big fish? Cesar Soto? Come on now. Hamed didn't care about unifiying. But trying to unify was the only excuse he had left that the WBO was going to buy. They were set to strip him for his shameful ducking of Marquez. That's a fact. Hamed backed himself into a unification bout when he used it as an excuse. Why you think he never went after the other 2 titles?

As usual you display an astounding lack of knowledge of the boxing business.

Now get prepared to be educated some more. Ready?

1. Why would the WBO want a chump change fighter as their champion when they have a millionaire megastar reigning? The bigger the fighter, the bigger the purses, the bigger the SANCTION FEES. Why do you think the WBO didn't give a fuck about Marquez languishing as the no.1 contender? Marquez was a nobody.

2. The WBO never stripped Naz of anything, he chucked the title to fight Barrera.

3. Tom Johnson - IBF champion
Wilfredo Vazquez - Lineal and WBA champion (stripped for unifying with Naz)
Cesar Soto - WBC champion

Now let me make this easy - whilst Naz held the WBO title he beat the current lineal, WBC, WBA and IBF champion. That makes him the lineal, unified king of the featherweight division.

So what two titles you on about?

It's obvious you copied and paste somebody else post from where ever the hell you read it from and are trying to pass it off as your own. While you got the right words in. And the key phrases. You ain't using them right. Cuz you don't really know what you talking about. Let me fix your inconsistencies with straight facts.

((Accusing me of plagiarism ))

Yet again you show a shocking naivety in all matters boxing.

Marquez lost to Norwood (in a fight so ugly HBO were appalled) 4 weeks before Naz beat Soto. So explain how Naz-Marquez was gonna happen at that time?

Only hardcore fans understand lineal. Alphabet unifications SELL!!! HBO paid Naz $5million for the Soto unification.

Now, as anyone can see, i've already unequivocally proven that Marquez ducked Naz. Marquez said it. Beristain said it. Their former match maker said it.

But you answer me this - name me an elite fighter Marquez beat that was in his prime. Just one. And I said elite. Or a world title Marquez had won. Just one. And I said one world title. Back in the day that would warrant him a shot at Naz?

Hmmm


It seems to me the FACTS Fenster is putting forward are by far the superior. I really carnt see a way out of this for ya VD

Clearly you're a smart fella Mattyhitman.

Fenster deals in facts, VD deals in fantasy. It's really no contest. Fact.

[Violent Demise]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

[TitoFan]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

Unrelated, but: Thanks for breaking the "Reply with Quote" chain. It was getting hard to follow.

[Fenster]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

An utterly embarrassing guess at the actual reality. Here's the truth...

1) Soto-Naz was held in Detroit because it holds one of the biggest Arab populations in the world (outside of the Middle East). They sold 13,000+ tickets for that fight. Fact.

2) The HBO team, although slightly favouring Marquez over Norwood, stated it could have gone either way. Fact.

3) Whether Marquez beat Norwood or not, it was after this fight that Naz offered him his shot, which as we all now know, courtesy of my bombproof factual evidence, he sadly refused. Fact.

So in summation - Marquez was given a shot to become the lineal featherweight champion, offered the biggest payday of his life and the chance to become an overnight boxing star.

Naz wanted it. HBO wanted it. The fans wanted it. Marquez bottled it. Fact.

[generalbulldog]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

An utterly embarrassing guess at the actual reality. Here's the truth...

1) Soto-Naz was held in Detroit because it holds one of the biggest Arab populations in the world (outside of the Middle East). They sold 13,000+ tickets for that fight. Fact.

2) The HBO team, although slightly favouring Marquez over Norwood, stated it could have gone either way. Fact.

3) Whether Marquez beat Norwood or not, it was after this fight that Naz offered him his shot, which as we all now know, courtesy of my bombproof factual evidence, he sadly refused. Fact.

So in summation - Marquez was given a shot to become the lineal featherweight champion, offered the biggest payday of his life and the chance to become an overnight boxing star.

Naz wanted it. HBO wanted it. The fans wanted it. Marquez bottled it. Fact.

All of this may be true, but JMM is miles ahead of him in legacy and heart. Fact.

[Violent Demise]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

An utterly embarrassing guess at the actual reality. Here's the truth...

1) Soto-Naz was held in Detroit because it holds one of the biggest Arab populations in the world (outside of the Middle East). They sold 13,000+ tickets for that fight. Fact.

2) The HBO team, although slightly favouring Marquez over Norwood, stated it could have gone either way. Fact.

3) Whether Marquez beat Norwood or not, it was after this fight that Naz offered him his shot, which as we all now know, courtesy of my bombproof factual evidence, he sadly refused. Fact.

So in summation - Marquez was given a shot to become the lineal featherweight champion, offered the biggest payday of his life and the chance to become an overnight boxing star.

Naz wanted it. HBO wanted it. The fans wanted it. Marquez bottled it. Fact.

Third time you have failed to answer my question. I don't blame you. Any attempt would lead to failure. You would pretty much be destroying your own points instead of me doing it

[Fenster]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

An utterly embarrassing guess at the actual reality. Here's the truth...

1) Soto-Naz was held in Detroit because it holds one of the biggest Arab populations in the world (outside of the Middle East). They sold 13,000+ tickets for that fight. Fact.

2) The HBO team, although slightly favouring Marquez over Norwood, stated it could have gone either way. Fact.

3) Whether Marquez beat Norwood or not, it was after this fight that Naz offered him his shot, which as we all now know, courtesy of my bombproof factual evidence, he sadly refused. Fact.

So in summation - Marquez was given a shot to become the lineal featherweight champion, offered the biggest payday of his life and the chance to become an overnight boxing star.

Naz wanted it. HBO wanted it. The fans wanted it. Marquez bottled it. Fact.

Third time you have failed to answer my question. I don't blame you. Any attempt would lead to failure. You would pretty much be destroying your own points instead of me doing it

All my points are backed up with irrefutable evidence. The only thing that's failed is your boxing knowledge.

Your question has nothing to do with the topic. However, I am willing to give you a go...

Name me all the prime featherweights Naz ducked between 1997 and 2000?

[Violent Demise]

Again you show you just read boxing. You don't really watch it. HBO might of been appalled with Marquez-Norwood. But the blame was placed on Norwood. They were also down right disgusted with Hamed-Soto. Lampley was embarrassed. Merchant called it one of the worse fights ever. People walked out of it. Both stated Soto's title was meaningless. HBO was forced into the Soto fight cuz of it's contract. They never wanted the fight. It's the reason it was held in Detroit and not Las Vegas. Come on now. It's really not that hard to figure out

Every time someone answers a question with a question is cuz they have no answer. I see you refused to answer my question regarding what elite fighter Hamed beat in his prime. Not surprised. Cuz one doesn't exist. Even more proof that Hamed not only ducked Marquez but ducked every good fighter out there.

As for your question? I'll answer it anyway. He was the uncrowned WBA champion. Anybody that seen the fight knows that Marquez deserved the win over Norwood. HBO had him winning. If you argue that point than it clearly tells me you never seen the fight. Facts are facts. I find it hilarious you got the audacity to ask what Marquez did to earn a shot. While at the same time try and make it seem like Paul Ingle was worthy of one.

An utterly embarrassing guess at the actual reality. Here's the truth...

1) Soto-Naz was held in Detroit because it holds one of the biggest Arab populations in the world (outside of the Middle East). They sold 13,000+ tickets for that fight. Fact.

2) The HBO team, although slightly favouring Marquez over Norwood, stated it could have gone either way. Fact.

3) Whether Marquez beat Norwood or not, it was after this fight that Naz offered him his shot, which as we all now know, courtesy of my bombproof factual evidence, he sadly refused. Fact.

So in summation - Marquez was given a shot to become the lineal featherweight champion, offered the biggest payday of his life and the chance to become an overnight boxing star.

Naz wanted it. HBO wanted it. The fans wanted it. Marquez bottled it. Fact.

Third time you have failed to answer my question. I don't blame you. Any attempt would lead to failure. You would pretty much be destroying your own points instead of me doing it

All my points are backed up with irrefutable evidence. The only thing that's failed is your boxing knowledge.

Your question has nothing to do with the topic. However, I am willing to give you a go...

Name me all the prime featherweights Naz ducked between 1997 and 2000?

That's four times. Come on now Fenster. Back in the day there was never a need for me to ask twice. You always had an answer. They were wrong like 90% of the time. But you at least gave one. And you were quick with them too. Now here I am asking 4 times? I always considered you to be a lot of things. Never thought coward/duck/yellow was one of them.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

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Anyway, this is a great debate! It's like watching Tennis!!

[Fenster]

Urgh these multi-quotes are horrible!!

Anyway, this is a great debate! It's like watching Tennis!!

Except that it's a mismatch. I'm Federer he's Sharapova.

[Violent Demise]

Urgh these multi-quotes are horrible!!

Anyway, this is a great debate! It's like watching Tennis!!

Except that it's a mismatch. I'm Federer he's Sharapova.

If he's talking appearance wise than I must certainly am Sharapova. But your no Federer. Your Venus Williams.

[Fenster]

Urgh these multi-quotes are horrible!!

Anyway, this is a great debate! It's like watching Tennis!!

Except that it's a mismatch. I'm Federer he's Sharapova.

If he's talking appearance wise than I must certainly am Sharapova. But your no Federer. Your Venus Williams.

So you're admitting you're a tart? Just as I thought.

[Master]

Urgh these multi-quotes are horrible!!

Anyway, this is a great debate! It's like watching Tennis!!

Except that it's a mismatch. I'm Federer he's Sharapova.

If he's talking appearance wise than I must certainly am Sharapova. But your no Federer. Your Venus Williams.

So you're admitting you're a tart? Just as I thought.

And you are admitting to having no personality and a predictable bore.