Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto

[ono]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

[Onix]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

[Onix]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

[Onix]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

Kudos for rating yourself, although I'd place you a bit higher in the "Nationalistic" category. (Hell, if I consider myself a 25%, you've got to be at least that high).



You call me, Diane and El Terrible a "Cotto mini-cult". While it may sound funny and amuzing, it fails to take into account some very evident truths. I have repeatedly not only admitted to some of Cotto's faults, I've also criticized some of his critical decisions, like taking Joe Santiago into his corner before the Pacquiao fight. And whereas I'm a HUGE Barrera and "Finito" Lopez fan, I also criticize some very well known PR fighters, such as Camacho and Daniel Santos. On the other hand, you and a couple of other posters on the board seem bent on praising every Mexican fighter that comes along.... while your praise, if any, for any Puerto Rican fighter is very rare and very sparse.

[ElTerribleMorales]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

[ono]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

[ElTerribleMorales]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan

[ono]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan

I genuinely agree with you, however the fact is there aren't many other 23 year olds in the sport with a comparable resume. If he continues to improve his level of opponent, by the time he reaches his peak he should be fighting the best guys in his division. My point was, regardless of what either of them have done in the past, it's fair to assume that they both require time to settle with their new coach and iron out the deficiencies in their respective games. I was just confused as to why it was fine for Cotto to take two complete gimmies whilst he adapts to his new trainer's teachings, when it's not ok for other fighters.

[Taeth]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now

[LukeH]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

Come on man, Since getting the Margarito fight Cotto had a gimme with Jennings, then fought Clottey, then Pac then moved up to fight Foreman.

Im not some kind of boxing guru but surely Foreman is harder fight than Kotelnik and Salita? Malignaggi was a decent fight, there was a number of people who thought he would win, much as there were people who thought Foreman would beat Cotto.

In the end of the day, yes they are at two different points in their respective careers, but Khan does talk about how he could beat such and such and wants to fight such and such, for whatever reason he hasn't got in the ring with these people yet. I think the fact that he wants to fight the winner of Marquez vs Diaz (marquez) is abit sad.

He's a Olympic medalist who now has a world title, much the same as Berto has, he's going to be called out on not fighting 'worthy opponents'. One fight against malignaggi doesn't deserve an easy fight.

I've never seen the person Cotto is supposed to be fighting to comment on him.

[generalbulldog]

That's just wrong man, comparing Cotto to Khan. Really wrong I must say.

Cotto had a few gimmes, but Cotto has proven himself many times over, and no one can say Cotto ducks so and so.

Khan is no where near Cotto's level of accomplishment. Major difference.