Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto

[ono]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

[ElTerribleMorales]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan

[ono]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

cause Khan has NEVER taken a tough fight to be able to take it easy from, he got KTFO by a guy who is now a borderline journeyman, Cotto lost to Margarito and took an easy fight in Jennings, then followed that up against a tough Clottey and followed that up against Pacquiao, Khan takes on C level fighters then finally "steps it up" to beat a B level fighter, if you honestly don't think that Khan has been doing the same thing as Donaire (who at least has a stand out victory over Darchinyan) then you're honestly blind bro, Khan is content fighting crap in order to keep his strap, it's already about time he gets his career moving cause up to now (even with a belt) he has done jackshit in his career, he's at least talking the right talk saying he wants to take on Alexander, Bradley, and Maidana, but it's already time that he starts doing it and does a little less talking, and we know that neither of the guys mentioned are scared of Khan

I genuinely agree with you, however the fact is there aren't many other 23 year olds in the sport with a comparable resume. If he continues to improve his level of opponent, by the time he reaches his peak he should be fighting the best guys in his division. My point was, regardless of what either of them have done in the past, it's fair to assume that they both require time to settle with their new coach and iron out the deficiencies in their respective games. I was just confused as to why it was fine for Cotto to take two complete gimmies whilst he adapts to his new trainer's teachings, when it's not ok for other fighters.

[Taeth]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now

[Onix]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now

Styles make fights. Berto is fast and powerful not a good combination for Cotto. Mayweather waits and counters which would put Cotto in the drivers seat in terms of the action so when he gets hurt and tired he can decide to back off and the fight will have a break in the action.

Manny and Margo both kept coming on Cotto and he wilted under the preassure. I dont think Mayweather would be the aggressor which owuld be better for Cotto, unless of course its the "I have a point to prove" Mayweather that was the aggressor with Mosley. If thats the case then its a bad night for Miguel Cotto.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Arum is babying Cotto until he faces Pac again... this is really getting sad. Even Angulo is a joke at the top level IMO, any good boxer will beat him. I think Arum just can't handle putting Cotto in with Berto who could very likely beat him. Cotto didn't look great against FOreman, and he had troubles with FOreman's speed when he is significantly slower than Berto, with way less power. Cotto seemed to lack a lot of his power in that fight, and though he had better balance he was still getting hit easily, and he's had more wars than Berto which I think has made his chin a little more suspect, and I could see Berto badly hurting him with one, whereas Cotto doesn't have that same explosiveness, nor does he have that vaunted body attack he once possessed.

amazing a post that didn't include Mayweather, but here's one, Mayweather came to PR looking to fight Cotto, after slamming the dude i'd love to hear your explanation of how he's a "decent" opponent now

Styles make fights. Berto is fast and powerful not a good combination for Cotto. Mayweather waits and counters which would put Cotto in the drivers seat in terms of the action so when he gets hurt and tired he can decide to back off and the fight will have a break in the action.

Manny and Margo both kept coming on Cotto and he wilted under the preassure. I dont think Mayweather would be the aggressor which owuld be better for Cotto, unless of course its the "I have a point to prove" Mayweather that was the aggressor with Mosley. If thats the case then its a bad night for Miguel Cotto.

Berto is far from being a relentless fighter, and in no way shape or form does he have devastating power, his power is average at best

[LukeH]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

Come on man, Since getting the Margarito fight Cotto had a gimme with Jennings, then fought Clottey, then Pac then moved up to fight Foreman.

Im not some kind of boxing guru but surely Foreman is harder fight than Kotelnik and Salita? Malignaggi was a decent fight, there was a number of people who thought he would win, much as there were people who thought Foreman would beat Cotto.

In the end of the day, yes they are at two different points in their respective careers, but Khan does talk about how he could beat such and such and wants to fight such and such, for whatever reason he hasn't got in the ring with these people yet. I think the fact that he wants to fight the winner of Marquez vs Diaz (marquez) is abit sad.

He's a Olympic medalist who now has a world title, much the same as Berto has, he's going to be called out on not fighting 'worthy opponents'. One fight against malignaggi doesn't deserve an easy fight.

I've never seen the person Cotto is supposed to be fighting to comment on him.

[generalbulldog]

That's just wrong man, comparing Cotto to Khan. Really wrong I must say.

Cotto had a few gimmes, but Cotto has proven himself many times over, and no one can say Cotto ducks so and so.

Khan is no where near Cotto's level of accomplishment. Major difference.

[ICB]

I personally think Andre Berto would beat Miguel Cotto, and i've said that for awhile. Andre Berto as a good uppercut which is Miguel Cotto's weakness. He is faster, more fresher, and his jab is equally as good as Miguel Cotto's jab.

I don't know why Andre Berto gets so much hate, yes he's not technically perfect. But neither was fighters like Meldrick Taylor, who is very much like Andre Berto. But Meldrick Taylor was still special in his own right.

And i think Andre Berto will shock alot of people, i think he beats everyone at Welterweight except obviously the two best P4P fighters.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I personally think Andre Berto would beat Miguel Cotto, and i've said that for awhile. Andre Berto as a good uppercut which is Miguel Cotto's weakness. He is faster, more fresher, and his jab is equally as good as Miguel Cotto's jab.

I don't know why Andre Berto gets so much hate, yes he's not technically perfect. But neither was fighters like Meldrick Taylor, who is very much like Andre Berto. But Meldrick Taylor was still special in his own right.

And i think Andre Berto will shock alot of people, i think he beats everyone at Welterweight except obviously the two best P4P fighters.

no hate from here, he just hasn't really done anything to back that claim up, as for fresher i don't really see it, he gets gassed pretty damn easy as seen in several fights, and doesn't really know how to follow a set gameplan, and it's not cause he adapts in there, the only guys who have had success with the uppercut against Cotto have been Pacquiao and Judah, both were southpaws, IMO Berto is good no doubt, but he's not as good as most think and a lot of that has to do with how protected he's been

[Pavlik]

Miguel is probably seeking a more lucrative fight against who I don't know, because this fight should be good for him and very winnable IMO. Berto's scalp in Cotto's resume will be great, he should've taken it.

[Master]

I am a fan of cotto and the fight with berto seems dangerous, another couple of confidence building fights then berto.