Views on the 140 division now?

[0james0]

I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.

[Taeth]

I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.

he's really not that fast, but I agree Khan still has enough defensive liabilities that Maidana could still catch him if Khan didn't have a really good night. I think this leaves TImothy Bradley as the best guy in the division. I think he outboxes Maidana all night.

Bradley may have troubles with Khan because like Pacquiao he has physical abilities and a coach who implements those abilities to near perfection against each guy he faces, but I think Bradley is by far the most well rounded fighter in the pack, its unfortunate that he is the least gifted.

[0james0]

I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.

he's really not that fast, but I agree Khan still has enough defensive liabilities that Maidana could still catch him if Khan didn't have a really good night. I think this leaves TImothy Bradley as the best guy in the division. I think he outboxes Maidana all night.

Bradley may have troubles with Khan because like Pacquiao he has physical abilities and a coach who implements those abilities to near perfection against each guy he faces, but I think Bradley is by far the most well rounded fighter in the pack, its unfortunate that he is the least gifted.

When I say speed, I don't mean in the Khan/ Malinagi 100 punches a second mould, more of the speed he throws his power shots. He has such snap on them and they come from different angles.

I'm still not convinced on Khans power, I think it's more the volume of punches that overwhelms fighters.I don't think Kotlenik got hurt once by Khan, haven't seen the fight for a while, but I remember lots of punches to the gloves by Khan.

[ono]

I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.

he's really not that fast, but I agree Khan still has enough defensive liabilities that Maidana could still catch him if Khan didn't have a really good night. I think this leaves TImothy Bradley as the best guy in the division. I think he outboxes Maidana all night.

Bradley may have troubles with Khan because like Pacquiao he has physical abilities and a coach who implements those abilities to near perfection against each guy he faces, but I think Bradley is by far the most well rounded fighter in the pack, its unfortunate that he is the least gifted.

When I say speed, I don't mean in the Khan/ Malinagi 100 punches a second mould, more of the speed he throws his power shots. He has such snap on them and they come from different angles.

I'm still not convinced on Khans power, I think it's more the volume of punches that overwhelms fighters.I don't think Kotlenik got hurt once by Khan, haven't seen the fight for a while, but I remember lots of punches to the gloves by Khan.

Yeah Kotelnik has a hard style to break through. He covers up very well and he doesn't leave himself open much. Khan's power has looked great at times when an opponent has walked onto a shot or when he's landed 3 or 4 clean at a time. He'll struggle to do that against the top guys, unless they are gung-ho. I think he could look brilliant against Maidana personally, but can see the argument for him getting knocked out.

[Mark TKO]

As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

mock semi finals here

[ICB]

As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

mock semi finals here

At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.

[ono]

As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

mock semi finals here

At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.

Give over, he's not even one of the worst belt holders in the last few years at 140. You've got Maussa, Rees, M'Baye, Urango and i'd even say Vivian Harris. Kotelnik is a solid fighter. Not spectacular nor eye catching, but he's decent.

[ICB]

As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

mock semi finals here

At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.

Give over, he's not even one of the worst belt holders in the last few years at 140. You've got Maussa, Rees, M'Baye, Urango and i'd even say Vivian Harris. Kotelnik is a solid fighter. Not spectacular nor eye catching, but he's decent.

Mate you got the wrong end of the stick, i said Souleymane M'baye was one of the worst title holders in recent times not Andriy Kotelnik.

Although thats not saying alot about Andriy Kotelnik, who couldn't beat him in 2 fights. As i've stated to me Andriy Kotelnik isn't bad technically and he's got a decent defense, but other than that he's quite mediocre.

[CutMeMick]

The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

(From least dangerous to most)
I think he beats Maidana soundly...
After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.

[CFH]

The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

(From least dangerous to most)
I think he beats Maidana soundly...
After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.

I think that JMM has indicated that he's going to return to 135. I believe he's scheduled to fight Katsidis next.


Also,


Who are you

[CutMeMick]

The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

(From least dangerous to most)
I think he beats Maidana soundly...
After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.

I think that JMM has indicated that he's going to return to 135. I believe he's scheduled to fight Katsidis next.


Also,


Who are you

He souldn't waste his time with Kats...
I see this as a HUGE step back, a win over Kats brings absofuckenlutely nothing to his legacy which is all he's fighting for at this moment.
He want's to walk out with a big bang.
And by any means am I saying he's not a legend or an ATG.
What I am saying is he's got bigger fish to fry like Pac and capturing that 4th title.
I feel it's a waste of time which he doesn't have much left.
It's a big mistake in taking that fight.

It should be going after that 4th title followed by Pac III.
After that whatever the fuck he wants.

Also,

Sometimes I ask myself that same question.
Who the fuck am I?

[amat]

Yea, I'm surprised people are sold on Khan. I think Bradley is the top guy and then everyone else has questions to answer after him. Kotelnik is DEFINITELY better then what I gave him credit for though, I am going to have to rewatch his fight with Khan. Khan though wasn't that impressive versus Paulie, he overwhelmed him with firepower but his defense is still porous imo. They are putting him in the same situation over and over again and then I guess just going to hope he does well against someone who can actually exploit his defensive woes.

Alexander, well he needs work but he already had the Bradley U Next shirt printed I guess. I still think he's on equal footing with Khan if not over Khan. ``

[Taeth]

Yea, I'm surprised people are sold on Khan. I think Bradley is the top guy and then everyone else has questions to answer after him. Kotelnik is DEFINITELY better then what I gave him credit for though, I am going to have to rewatch his fight with Khan. Khan though wasn't that impressive versus Paulie, he overwhelmed him with firepower but his defense is still porous imo. They are putting him in the same situation over and over again and then I guess just going to hope he does well against someone who can actually exploit his defensive woes.

Alexander, well he needs work but he already had the Bradley U Next shirt printed I guess. I still think he's on equal footing with Khan if not over Khan. ``

I think Khan did very well against Malignaggi, and he was really the first guy to hit Paulie at will, even Hatton didn't dominate him in the same way and I think Hatton was an incredible 140 pounder even when he came back down.

I just watched the Khan-Kotelnik fight today, and obviously there are flaws with Khan, and he wasn't really able to get through Kotelnik's guard, but it reminded me a lot of Pacquiao-Clottey. He really used angles, movement, and combinations quite effectively to subdue maybe a more accurate, but less active opponent. I also think he did a nice job of going to the body and keeping Kotelnik off balance by constantly throwing something at him. The big advantage Khan and Pacquiao have are speed and endurance. Not many guys are going to be able to deal with their speed for a whole fight, in order to do so would require an enormous amount of concentration which in turn takes a lot of energy. I didn't see that from Alexander, I think the height desparity with the fact that Khan is more technical than him, and he has a coach who will implement the right strategy makes me believe he will outbox Alexander easier than many people might suspect. Bradley however, is constantly changing heights, keeping his feet moving, using angles and keeping busy himself. He is also relatively slick which is sometimes the only way to circumvent blinding speed. The thing that I worry about with Bradley is a fast counterpuncher like Holt or Judah. Bradley can use the fact that Khan is a front runner to nullify that speed by setting traps, but against guys like Judah and when he faced Holt, Bradley had to close the gap, which he sometimes does quite wildly, and that sets him up for being countered by a big shot. Luckily both Judah and Holt don't have mental fortitude to fight at their sharpest for 12 rounds or I would consider them favorites against Bradley. But there is a certain guy 7 pounds up that I think would beat Bradley everytime because he does everything better than Tim, and he has every physical advantage.

[CFH]

140 is one of the most exciting divisions in the sport.

I think Bradley is clearly the best, and if I had to rank the top fighters in the division it would probably look something like this:

1. Bradley
2. Alexander/Khan
4. Maidana
5. Kotelnik (or JMM if he chooses to fight at 140)

However, any of the top 4 could turn out to be the best fighter in the long-run. I'm less sold on Maidana than most people are though.

[generalbulldog]

A few facts on Amir Khan.

-He once sparred a round with Pacquiao without throwing a punch and Pacquiao was still hurt badly.

-He taught a prime iron Mike Tyson how to give off an aura of invincibility when he was still in his mother's womb.

-Money Mayweather avoids being in the same US state as Amir because he knows he can get his first loss even without being in the same boxing ring.

-Muhammad Ali has been considering dropping "the greatest" moniker ever since Amir was born in '86 feeling that only Amir was worthy of that title.

-Amir has his boxing moments even when he's not boxing.

-Roach's damaged brain is healing at 1% everyday just by hearing Amir's words being spoken.

-Oscar De La Hoya rallied in the 12th to give a great boxing round against Quartey because Amir willed it from his home in the UK when Amir was 12.

-George Foreman beat Michael Moorer because Amir was his inspiration not God.

-Sugar Ray Robinson on his deathbed lamented that he never got the chance to meet Amir to learn a few tricks from Amir on boxing.

- B-Hop said he lasted this long in the fight game just by picking up 3 of Amir's moves in the ring.

-The real reason the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was delayed was because May and Pac didn't want to overshadow any of Amir's fights that were close to the proposed dated and both didn't have permission by Amir to fight.

-Amir's legend precedes him, the way lightning precedes thunder.

Amir is the greatest boxer in the world.