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    Default Re: Views on the 140 division now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 0james0 View Post
    I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

    I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

    It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.
    he's really not that fast, but I agree Khan still has enough defensive liabilities that Maidana could still catch him if Khan didn't have a really good night. I think this leaves TImothy Bradley as the best guy in the division. I think he outboxes Maidana all night.

    Bradley may have troubles with Khan because like Pacquiao he has physical abilities and a coach who implements those abilities to near perfection against each guy he faces, but I think Bradley is by far the most well rounded fighter in the pack, its unfortunate that he is the least gifted.
    When I say speed, I don't mean in the Khan/ Malinagi 100 punches a second mould, more of the speed he throws his power shots. He has such snap on them and they come from different angles.

    I'm still not convinced on Khans power, I think it's more the volume of punches that overwhelms fighters.I don't think Kotlenik got hurt once by Khan, haven't seen the fight for a while, but I remember lots of punches to the gloves by Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0james0 View Post
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    I don't think he's got the best skills, but I think he's far hungrier than any of the others and can happily take a punch and his record shows he can give one.

    I thought the Kotelnik loss was in the same bracket as Kotelnik suffered the other night. Close, but still the wrong way.

    It's a strange one with Maidana, I don't think he's the best boxer, but I do think he would beat any of the guys we're talking about. Khan and Alexander would really struggle with his power and speed.
    he's really not that fast, but I agree Khan still has enough defensive liabilities that Maidana could still catch him if Khan didn't have a really good night. I think this leaves TImothy Bradley as the best guy in the division. I think he outboxes Maidana all night.

    Bradley may have troubles with Khan because like Pacquiao he has physical abilities and a coach who implements those abilities to near perfection against each guy he faces, but I think Bradley is by far the most well rounded fighter in the pack, its unfortunate that he is the least gifted.
    When I say speed, I don't mean in the Khan/ Malinagi 100 punches a second mould, more of the speed he throws his power shots. He has such snap on them and they come from different angles.

    I'm still not convinced on Khans power, I think it's more the volume of punches that overwhelms fighters.I don't think Kotlenik got hurt once by Khan, haven't seen the fight for a while, but I remember lots of punches to the gloves by Khan.
    Yeah Kotelnik has a hard style to break through. He covers up very well and he doesn't leave himself open much. Khan's power has looked great at times when an opponent has walked onto a shot or when he's landed 3 or 4 clean at a time. He'll struggle to do that against the top guys, unless they are gung-ho. I think he could look brilliant against Maidana personally, but can see the argument for him getting knocked out.
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    Default Re: Views on the 140 division now?

    As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



    The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

    mock semi finals here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



    The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

    mock semi finals here
    At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

    We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

    He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

    As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

    He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

    IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



    The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

    mock semi finals here
    At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

    We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

    He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

    As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

    He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

    IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.
    Give over, he's not even one of the worst belt holders in the last few years at 140. You've got Maussa, Rees, M'Baye, Urango and i'd even say Vivian Harris. Kotelnik is a solid fighter. Not spectacular nor eye catching, but he's decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



    The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

    mock semi finals here
    At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

    We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

    He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

    As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

    He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

    IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.
    Give over, he's not even one of the worst belt holders in the last few years at 140. You've got Maussa, Rees, M'Baye, Urango and i'd even say Vivian Harris. Kotelnik is a solid fighter. Not spectacular nor eye catching, but he's decent.
    Mate you got the wrong end of the stick, i said Souleymane M'baye was one of the worst title holders in recent times not Andriy Kotelnik.

    Although thats not saying alot about Andriy Kotelnik, who couldn't beat him in 2 fights. As i've stated to me Andriy Kotelnik isn't bad technically and he's got a decent defense, but other than that he's quite mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    As much as it pains me to say it I think a well disciplined Khan performance beats any of them - he is much more naturally gifted, bigger and has the speed to do it. Of course if someone like Maidana caught him it would be game over but as I said if he stays disciplined.....



    The Ring online did a series of 'mock' fight reports this past week on how a tournament along the lines of the super six would g in the 140 division - had Khan beating Bradley by UD in final (and climbing off the canvas to do it )

    mock semi finals here
    At this point no way does Amir Khan beat Timothy Bradley, its just amazing how much Timothy Bradley has improved. At first i doubted him but he really has gone from strength to strength.

    We've pretty much seen all different sides to him, we know he can turn a fight around with one punch aka Junior Witter. We know he can brawl and comeback from adversity aka Kendall Holt. We know he can fight on the backfoot and outbox a bigger dangerous opponent aka Luis Carlos Abregu.

    He's too well rounded and he keeps getting better and better, i think he beats Amir Khan over 12 quite comfortably 8 rounds to 4.

    As for Devon Alexander IMO he reminded me of Jermain Taylor in his last fight, wasting alot of energy and not focusing enough on accuracy. I think he can get better but there's no doubting he got a gift, and whilst Andriy Kotelnik may be quite good technically.

    He's not that good in other departments, infact he's quite mediocre in alot of departments, any elite fighter would comfortably outpoint Andriy Kotelnik. I mean this is the same guy who couldn't beat Souleymane M'baye in two outings, and he was one of the worst belt holders in recent times.

    IMO its basically Timothy Bradley then everyone else.
    Give over, he's not even one of the worst belt holders in the last few years at 140. You've got Maussa, Rees, M'Baye, Urango and i'd even say Vivian Harris. Kotelnik is a solid fighter. Not spectacular nor eye catching, but he's decent.
    Mate you got the wrong end of the stick, i said Souleymane M'baye was one of the worst title holders in recent times not Andriy Kotelnik.

    Although thats not saying alot about Andriy Kotelnik, who couldn't beat him in 2 fights. As i've stated to me Andriy Kotelnik isn't bad technically and he's got a decent defense, but other than that he's quite mediocre.
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    I want to start out by saying so far Bradley and Maidana are the top of this division. Mr. Khan although skilled with a high work volume of speed needs the opponent in front of him. Bradley would rough him up or KO him. Maidana, well surprise he hits hard and has incredible endurance and quit is not in his vocabulary. Alexander is not prepared or maybe he's just lucky. Don't knock on Bradley's door or Maidana's just yet. Ortiz is a large question mark especially in the ticker category so we have to wait and see. Easy opponents will only prolong the inevitable, Could it be he just took things too far? As for Khan once again, you are your own worst enemy fighting on your holiday fasting for forty days. Just for the sake of your fans, remeber there's 365days on the calender you are entitled to use.

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    The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

    (From least dangerous to most)
    I think he beats Maidana soundly...
    After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
    Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
    Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

    (From least dangerous to most)
    I think he beats Maidana soundly...
    After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
    Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
    Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.
    I think that JMM has indicated that he's going to return to 135. I believe he's scheduled to fight Katsidis next.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    The most important thing for me about the 140 div. is when the fuck will JMM decide to go after a title and vs. who...

    (From least dangerous to most)
    I think he beats Maidana soundly...
    After that I feel he has what it takes to break Devon down...
    Amirs speed would be a huge factor here but quite honestly aside from his speed I feel JMM has the ability to get Amir to fight his fight and win on a mid-late stoppage.
    Bradley would be the most dangerous because of the style that he brings and his strength. It's a really tough call for me here. I'd def. side and back JMM up.
    I think that JMM has indicated that he's going to return to 135. I believe he's scheduled to fight Katsidis next.


    Also,


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    He souldn't waste his time with Kats...
    I see this as a HUGE step back, a win over Kats brings absofuckenlutely nothing to his legacy which is all he's fighting for at this moment.
    He want's to walk out with a big bang.
    And by any means am I saying he's not a legend or an ATG.
    What I am saying is he's got bigger fish to fry like Pac and capturing that 4th title.
    I feel it's a waste of time which he doesn't have much left.
    It's a big mistake in taking that fight.

    It should be going after that 4th title followed by Pac III.
    After that whatever the fuck he wants.

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