Oliver McCall or Zab Judah...whose lack of discipline has cost them more?

[skel1983]

The rumors of Zab Judah squandering his money, out all night in Vegas and under training have been one after another throughout his career. There has to be some truth to this. He is a wealth of talent, and could have gone down as one of the best ever. His 2nd worst decision was having his father in his corner for all those fights. He could have used a good tactician to teach him how to deal with different fighters better, and to keep it together down the stretch.
And, don't give me the Cotto/Judah fight as a reference. Judah took 3 horrific low blows in that fight that were just ungodly. Cotto should have never been allowed to fight that way without consequence. And Judah almost had him down/out of there at a couple points in the fight. One, being right before Cotto punched him square in the nuts-suck

I don't really get Oliver McCall. He was just huge powerful and obviously in incredible shape for fights. But I just didn't watch enough of him to know what the deal was. The guy has been in the ring with everyone, and is a dangerous fight for anyone even at 40+yrs.

I have to go with Judah by way of ignorance to McCall's career.

Well how about we take every single fight he has had since 2005 of any significance? We have these threads about Judah all the time they are pathetic in truth his mental game is part of his make up end of story he has shown time and time again he is just not good enough over 12 rounds at the top level no disgrace with that but it's a fact.

We could sit all day and pick at certain fighters attributes and say imagine if fighter A had a chin or fighter B had stamina etc etc.

[chinchekked]

The rumors of Zab Judah squandering his money, out all night in Vegas and under training have been one after another throughout his career. There has to be some truth to this. He is a wealth of talent, and could have gone down as one of the best ever. His 2nd worst decision was having his father in his corner for all those fights. He could have used a good tactician to teach him how to deal with different fighters better, and to keep it together down the stretch.
And, don't give me the Cotto/Judah fight as a reference. Judah took 3 horrific low blows in that fight that were just ungodly. Cotto should have never been allowed to fight that way without consequence. And Judah almost had him down/out of there at a couple points in the fight. One, being right before Cotto punched him square in the nuts-suck

I don't really get Oliver McCall. He was just huge powerful and obviously in incredible shape for fights. But I just didn't watch enough of him to know what the deal was. The guy has been in the ring with everyone, and is a dangerous fight for anyone even at 40+yrs.

I have to go with Judah by way of ignorance to McCall's career.

Well how about we take every single fight he has had since 2005 of any significance? We have these threads about Judah all the time they are pathetic in truth his mental game is part of his make up end of story he has shown time and time again he is just not good enough over 12 rounds at the top level no disgrace with that but it's a fact.

We could sit all day and pick at certain fighters attributes and say imagine if fighter A had a chin or fighter B had stamina etc etc.

First of all this thread was not created to defend Judah by any stretch......I am not a fan! I was just curious as to how a man with so much God given ability not have been even better. It was a lack of discipline for sure along with not being mentally tough when it counted. Also I am one who thinks Judah should have kept his butt at junior welter(Clottey and Cotto were too strong). My point was how could someone with rare talent not put an all out effort to get their stuff together and attack his shortcomings. I will admit I thought of McCall as a comparison because I happen to look at the two Lewis fights again recently and u can't help but scratch your head after the second fight and think ....WTH.